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What do you like about Kubuntu more compared to openSUSE?

by pestaa 13y ago

qwerta 13y ago
Better font rendering, larger software selection, home folder encryption, WIFI firmware included on CD. I also think apt is better package manager. On other side SUSE has better installer. I am not sure Kubuntu will survive 14.04. Perhaps there will be replacement based on Debian. Perhaps it will be time to move to OpenSUSE.
- andrewcooke 13y ago
  font rendering is just config. first thing i do with opensuse is install the mstttfonts and enable anti-aliasing (weak hints). [edit] the patent issues have long since died away - http://www.freetype.org/patents.html http://www.freetype.org/patents.html i'm pretty sure (no numbers) package selection isn't less on opensuse, it's just distributed over more repos. use http://software.opensuse.org/search http://software.opensuse.org/search you have more encryption options with opensuse - the yast installer (partition manager) is more flexible than the ubuntu one (i couldn't duplicate my opensuse install with ubuntu and had to go with something simpler). and home directory encryption is an option in yast under "details" for add new user. i have used both. ubuntu is the nicer "out of the box" (it feels more apple-ish). but opensuse allows you to fiddle more - as a developer i prefer opensuse because it's easier to poke around and change things. yast is a huge help when you want it and stays out of the way when you don't - for me it makes opensuse the sweet spot between ubuntu and distros like debian.
  - qwerta 13y ago
    > font rendering is just config. Not just config, but patents! There are patents which covers font rendering (thanks a lot apple), so freetype in most distributions is crippled. Ubuntu ships with those patches. I think on OpenSuse I could install patched freetype (or Infinality which think uses different algorithm). > but opensuse allows you to fiddle more I mostly do Debian, so creating a few symlinks is simple. I used Suse a lot 10 years ago.
    - andrewcooke 13y ago
      patent issues ended in 2010. yast is more than creating symlinks.
    - mikevm 13y ago
      Are you saying that one doesn't need to use these patches on Ubuntu: http://www.infinality.net/blog/infinality-freetype-patches/ http://www.infinality.net/blog/infinality-freetype-patches/ ?
      - qwerta 13y ago
        I have to retract my previous statement about fonts. My config is bit unusual, VRGB with inverse colors. I just installed Suse 13.1 alongside my Kubuntu 13.10 and rendering looks good on both. I also tried Infinality on 13.1, but fonts did not improved. It also does not seems to have VRGB settings. Also Firefox in Suse is using KDE file dialogs. Kubuntu gave-up on this long time ago. So I think I found new home, after my current installation expires.
      - DArcMattr 13y ago
        Most of the infinality patchset was merged into the Freetype project in time for version 2.5, and according to Distrowatch, OpenSUSE 13.1 is running 2.5.1.
  - bluedino 13y ago
    >> font rendering is just config Linux is just config >> ubuntu is the nicer "out of the box" Very true - I used to stick with Fedora and then tweak it to make it more Ubuntu-ish but then I just gave up and gave in to Ubuntu.
  - ewzimm 13y ago
    From the release: openSUSE 13.1 comes with much improved font hinting thanks to the new font engine in Freetype 2.5. It's actually fixed by default now.
- TallGuyShort 13y ago
  I used to like apt, but then I kept running into situations (which I'll admit ought to be more rare than they are in my situation) where I needed to install software packages for which some of the dependencies had since disappeared. I looked at the source and determined that the dependency was not necessary, and that I wanted to proceed without it. I could either rebuild the package myself, (which is not always trivial if the package maintainer did a lot more than just build and install the source), or ask the package manager to let me make the decision. Apt provides no option, and if you attempt it, it will not allow you to do anything else to the system unless you remove the package with the missing dependency, requiring you to then re-install the same file every time you make a change to the system. Zypper shows you a large warning about the consequence of installing packages without their dependencies. It then asks you if you would like to cancel the transaction, try and find the dependencies, or proceed at your own risk. It then honors that choice. The latter is perfect! edit: I'll agree that this is bad practice, but this happens a lot with projects that were built back when Oracle JDK was legal to distribute that way, and they require that package. I can install the correct version of Java in all the ways the package expects - but then I need to create an empty package with the name it wants. I think that's a worse work-around than explicitly overriding the dependencies.
  - icebraining 13y ago
    I could either rebuild the package myself, (which is not always trivial if the package maintainer did a lot more than just build and install the source) You can get all those changes by fetching the source package from which the .deb is built by running "apt-get source <package>". Then just edit the dependencies in debian/control and rebuild the package using "debuild".

What do you like about Kubuntu more compared to openSUSE?

by pestaa 13y ago

What do you like about Kubuntu more compared to openSUSE?

Better font rendering, larger software selection, home folder encryption, WIFI firmware included on CD. I also think apt is better package manager. On other side SUSE has better installer. I am not sure Kubuntu will survive 14.04. Perhaps there will be replacement based on Debian. Perhaps it will be time to move to OpenSUSE.

andrewcooke 13y ago
font rendering is just config. first thing i do with opensuse is install the mstttfonts and enable anti-aliasing (weak hints). [edit] the patent issues have long since died away - http://www.freetype.org/patents.html http://www.freetype.org/patents.html i'm pretty sure (no numbers) package selection isn't less on opensuse, it's just distributed over more repos. use http://software.opensuse.org/search http://software.opensuse.org/search you have more encryption options with opensuse - the yast installer (partition manager) is more flexible than the ubuntu one (i couldn't duplicate my opensuse install with ubuntu and had to go with something simpler). and home directory encryption is an option in yast under "details" for add new user. i have used both. ubuntu is the nicer "out of the box" (it feels more apple-ish). but opensuse allows you to fiddle more - as a developer i prefer opensuse because it's easier to poke around and change things. yast is a huge help when you want it and stays out of the way when you don't - for me it makes opensuse the sweet spot between ubuntu and distros like debian.
- qwerta 13y ago
  > font rendering is just config. Not just config, but patents! There are patents which covers font rendering (thanks a lot apple), so freetype in most distributions is crippled. Ubuntu ships with those patches. I think on OpenSuse I could install patched freetype (or Infinality which think uses different algorithm). > but opensuse allows you to fiddle more I mostly do Debian, so creating a few symlinks is simple. I used Suse a lot 10 years ago.
  - andrewcooke 13y ago
    patent issues ended in 2010. yast is more than creating symlinks.
  - mikevm 13y ago
    Are you saying that one doesn't need to use these patches on Ubuntu: http://www.infinality.net/blog/infinality-freetype-patches/ http://www.infinality.net/blog/infinality-freetype-patches/ ?
    - qwerta 13y ago
      I have to retract my previous statement about fonts. My config is bit unusual, VRGB with inverse colors. I just installed Suse 13.1 alongside my Kubuntu 13.10 and rendering looks good on both. I also tried Infinality on 13.1, but fonts did not improved. It also does not seems to have VRGB settings. Also Firefox in Suse is using KDE file dialogs. Kubuntu gave-up on this long time ago. So I think I found new home, after my current installation expires.
    - DArcMattr 13y ago
      Most of the infinality patchset was merged into the Freetype project in time for version 2.5, and according to Distrowatch, OpenSUSE 13.1 is running 2.5.1.
- bluedino 13y ago
  >> font rendering is just config Linux is just config >> ubuntu is the nicer "out of the box" Very true - I used to stick with Fedora and then tweak it to make it more Ubuntu-ish but then I just gave up and gave in to Ubuntu.
- ewzimm 13y ago
  From the release: openSUSE 13.1 comes with much improved font hinting thanks to the new font engine in Freetype 2.5. It's actually fixed by default now.
TallGuyShort 13y ago
I used to like apt, but then I kept running into situations (which I'll admit ought to be more rare than they are in my situation) where I needed to install software packages for which some of the dependencies had since disappeared. I looked at the source and determined that the dependency was not necessary, and that I wanted to proceed without it. I could either rebuild the package myself, (which is not always trivial if the package maintainer did a lot more than just build and install the source), or ask the package manager to let me make the decision. Apt provides no option, and if you attempt it, it will not allow you to do anything else to the system unless you remove the package with the missing dependency, requiring you to then re-install the same file every time you make a change to the system. Zypper shows you a large warning about the consequence of installing packages without their dependencies. It then asks you if you would like to cancel the transaction, try and find the dependencies, or proceed at your own risk. It then honors that choice. The latter is perfect! edit: I'll agree that this is bad practice, but this happens a lot with projects that were built back when Oracle JDK was legal to distribute that way, and they require that package. I can install the correct version of Java in all the ways the package expects - but then I need to create an empty package with the name it wants. I think that's a worse work-around than explicitly overriding the dependencies.
- icebraining 13y ago
  I could either rebuild the package myself, (which is not always trivial if the package maintainer did a lot more than just build and install the source) You can get all those changes by fetching the source package from which the .deb is built by running "apt-get source <package>". Then just edit the dependencies in debian/control and rebuild the package using "debuild".