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I'll remain pessimistic for the time being. IPv6 has been coming my entire life. I'm a Comcast Business class customer in Silicon Valley, and I recently (few m

I'll remain pessimistic for the time being. IPv6 has been coming my entire life. I'm a Comcast Business class customer in Silicon Valley, and I recently (few months ago, a little after IPv6 day) asked about IPv6 support. "Not currently" was the answer, so it's a little surprising to see a HN article about "Comcast [shows] Dramatic Increases in IPv6 deployment". If the article's graph is to be believed (and I don't see why not), then I'm curious as to where they're deploying it. I partially wish the graph's Y axis was [0, 100%], to show how far they have yet to go. If Time Warner continues deployment at current rates, it looks to take them ~15 years to complete. That's assuming that the growth is linear, and only using the last ~6 months. (Since it seems they only just started.) Hopefully, growth will initially be exponential, and this won't take quite that long (I expect some sort of S-curve[1]). [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion_of_innovations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion_of_innovations

wmf 13y ago
ISPs are doing consumer IPv6 first because consumer has no SLAs. The process definitely isn't linear; it generally consists of badgering the CMTS vendor until they release working firmware (which takes 2-5 years) and then deploying that firmware to millions of customers en masse. Since each ISP uses a small number of CMTS models, we should expect to see large jumps with plateaus in between. Also, I think these graphs are measuring not just customers who have IPv6 available but how many are actually using IPv6. There are millions of customers who have IPv6 but their router or OS doesn't support it; this will probably phase out over 5-10 years.
zaphoyd 13y ago
Everyone I know in Chicago with residential Comcast service (including myself) has had native IPv6 deployed since ~June 2012. Based on information from http://www.comcast6.net http://www.comcast6.net it looks like Comcast lit up IPv6 for residential customers first and is now conducting trials with their business customers.
jcastro 13y ago
I don't have a link handy but I've read in multiple places that Comcast will be doing ipv6 for consumer class first and then deploy business class. (Same boat as you, business class with no ipv6)
untog 13y ago
Yes, because if something isn't happening in Silicon Valley it must not be happening anywhere, right? It's clear that progress is slow, but any progress at all is good news in my book. My T-Mobile cellphone is also now IP6, so it's happening. Gradually.
- deathanatos 13y ago
  Allow me to clarify: given the concentration of software engineering in the bay area, I figured there would also be a concentration of demand for IPv6. I agree, any progress is good progress. It's just interesting that it's actually proving difficult to voluntarily jump on the bandwagon that many are resisting. (And interesting: I'm also T-Mobile, but when on data, I've only seen IPv4.)
FireBeyond 13y ago
I'm a Comcast Business customer in Seattle: "Dear Comcast Business Class Customer, Thank you again for signing up for the Comcast Business IPv6 Trial! At this time, we ask that you please register on our Trial Portal. Here you will be able to provide feedback, complete exercises and read documents related to the Trial. To Register: Go to https://trials.comcast.net https://trials.comcast.net Create an account by clicking "Register Now" When prompted, add BusIPv6 as the Trial Code You will also receive an email from DocuSign with the Trial Agreement. Once you have registered for the Trial Portal and signed the Trial Agreement, you will be notified with next steps. We thank you in advance for your participation! Thanks, Comcast Business IPv6 Trial Team" The trial agreement was agreeing to provide periodic feedback. In return, I would get a new cable modem, a new block of static IPs, AND keep my old modem and old block for "transition".
sliverstorm 13y ago
Colorado here, have had IPv6 native with Comcast for several years now. I don't use it because the IPv6 nodes are slow (mostly hurts my ping, 20ms => 100ms), but it's there and working. I try again periodically to see if it's better.
- p1mrx 13y ago
  Does your address start with 2002? If so, you're using a 6to4 tunnel, which is basically crap.
  - sliverstorm 13y ago
    Nah, 2601:1
X-Istence 13y ago
I've got IPv6 over Comcast in CO. I've had it for about two years now. Youtube and various other services over IPv6 are actually more responsive than over IPv4 =).

wmf 13y ago

ISPs are doing consumer IPv6 first because consumer has no SLAs. The process definitely isn't linear; it generally consists of badgering the CMTS vendor until they release working firmware (which takes 2-5 years) and then deploying that firmware to millions of customers en masse. Since each ISP uses a small number of CMTS models, we should expect to see large jumps with plateaus in between. Also, I think these graphs are measuring not just customers who have IPv6 available but how many are actually using IPv6. There are millions of customers who have IPv6 but their router or OS doesn't support it; this will probably phase out over 5-10 years.

zaphoyd 13y ago

Everyone I know in Chicago with residential Comcast service (including myself) has had native IPv6 deployed since ~June 2012. Based on information from http://www.comcast6.net http://www.comcast6.net it looks like Comcast lit up IPv6 for residential customers first and is now conducting trials with their business customers.

jcastro 13y ago

I don't have a link handy but I've read in multiple places that Comcast will be doing ipv6 for consumer class first and then deploy business class. (Same boat as you, business class with no ipv6)

untog 13y ago

Yes, because if something isn't happening in Silicon Valley it must not be happening anywhere, right? It's clear that progress is slow, but any progress at all is good news in my book. My T-Mobile cellphone is also now IP6, so it's happening. Gradually.

deathanatos 13y ago
Allow me to clarify: given the concentration of software engineering in the bay area, I figured there would also be a concentration of demand for IPv6. I agree, any progress is good progress. It's just interesting that it's actually proving difficult to voluntarily jump on the bandwagon that many are resisting. (And interesting: I'm also T-Mobile, but when on data, I've only seen IPv4.)

FireBeyond 13y ago

I'm a Comcast Business customer in Seattle: "Dear Comcast Business Class Customer, Thank you again for signing up for the Comcast Business IPv6 Trial! At this time, we ask that you please register on our Trial Portal. Here you will be able to provide feedback, complete exercises and read documents related to the Trial. To Register: Go to https://trials.comcast.net https://trials.comcast.net Create an account by clicking "Register Now" When prompted, add BusIPv6 as the Trial Code You will also receive an email from DocuSign with the Trial Agreement. Once you have registered for the Trial Portal and signed the Trial Agreement, you will be notified with next steps. We thank you in advance for your participation! Thanks, Comcast Business IPv6 Trial Team" The trial agreement was agreeing to provide periodic feedback. In return, I would get a new cable modem, a new block of static IPs, AND keep my old modem and old block for "transition".

sliverstorm 13y ago

Colorado here, have had IPv6 native with Comcast for several years now. I don't use it because the IPv6 nodes are slow (mostly hurts my ping, 20ms => 100ms), but it's there and working. I try again periodically to see if it's better.

p1mrx 13y ago
Does your address start with 2002? If so, you're using a 6to4 tunnel, which is basically crap.
- sliverstorm 13y ago
  Nah, 2601:1

X-Istence 13y ago

I've got IPv6 over Comcast in CO. I've had it for about two years now. Youtube and various other services over IPv6 are actually more responsive than over IPv4 =).