I like the JVM but I really don't think the general population of programmers would call it fashionable. I have a friend who never visits HN but has a distrust

I like the JVM but I really don't think the general population of programmers would call it fashionable. I have a friend who never visits HN but has a distrust for it even though his exposure to it was decades ago. The hardware back then was just not ready for it and it probably left some lasting scars. I find that Java and the JVM is just something that you don't talk about, which is why it's never going to be fashionable. Useful yes. Fashionable, I'm not sure.