> Is there any other mature framework for the language? No. It's because Groovy and Grails are part of the same company that many developers are afraid of crea

> Is there any other mature framework for the language? No. It's because Groovy and Grails are part of the same company that many developers are afraid of creating another web framework using Groovy. Grails dictator Graeme Rocher was even one of the 5 Groovy despots for 4 yrs, and didn't leave until a few months ago. This could have been what prompted the Play! 2 framework to purge itself of all its Groovy code. Unfortunately, Groovy project manager Guillaume Laforge uses "and Grails initiator" in this title, perhaps not realizing the message that sends to people thinking about using Groovy for something web-related but not part of Grails.