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A comment like this reeks of ignorance and adds nothing to the dialogue. If you wanted to vouch for the reduction of sports on broadcast television with reason

by jat850 13y ago

A comment like this reeks of ignorance and adds nothing to the dialogue. If you wanted to vouch for the reduction of sports on broadcast television with reasons related to health that are backed up with facts or citations, rather than speculative opining, you could have, and should have, done so.

criley2 13y ago
The "sports" word was mentioned, so yes, we can expect a deluge of holier than thou prejudiced nerds explaining in very ethnocentric terms why sports is bad. It'd be comical if it wasn't depressing.
- parennoob 13y ago
  I had to look up what "ethnocentric" meant, but I don't think I am "evaluating other peoples and cultures according to the standards of my own culture" here. Perhaps you could elaborate? (Also, even if I was, don't we all unconsciously view things through the lens of our cultural upbringing? Fail to see how this could be either comical or depressing. Or perhaps you want opinions to be restricted to only people from your own culture?)
  - criley2 13y ago
    Yes, it means exactly that. As in, nerds who have lived in their own geek culture bubble all of their lives, aggressively and prejudicedly judging sports culture from the perspective of their own comfort bubble, without ever truly experiencing it with an open mind or truly trying to understand why people enjoy those things and behave that way. Jock-bullying. It's very common in nerd circles, if only as a reflexive against the injustices against nerds, both real and imagined. It's comical/depressing because nerd crowds are generally very self-congratulatory on how open-minded, liberal and intelligent they are. And then this kind of reflexive antagonist behavior against jocks bubbles up, and we're forced to realize that no, just because geeks paint themselves as these smart and open-minded people does not mean it is true. Sometimes, they're no better than bullies, insulting ways of life that they've never tried, simply because it is different or because they are expected by their group to dislike those things.
    - parennoob 13y ago
      This has nothing to do with jocks. If anything, it might be considered bullying people-who-watch-sports-yet-are-in-no-condition-to-play-sports-themselves. You'd think nerds constitute a greater proportion of that than jocks. I don't know much about jock culture, but I'm assuming (perhaps wrongly) that physical fitness plays a part?
      - SheepSlapper 13y ago
        Why stop at sports? Let's start bullying people-who-love-music-but-can't-play-an-instrument-themselves! Or how about people-who-watch-movies-yet-can't-act-their-way-out-of-a-bucket? Those people definitely deserve our scorn...
        parennoob 13y ago
        If severe deficiency at playing an instrument caused heart attacks, sure, that would be a great idea.
parennoob 13y ago
I'm not entirely sure which side is 'reeking of ignorance' here. Go to any so-called sports bar. The majority of people are obese or overweight and look as if they'd be hard-pressed to run a hundred yards. Look at the majority of commercials during sports games broadcasts. They are typically Doritos, McDonalds, or something else related to fatty, unhealthy food. To go shopping in most places, you have to get your ass in a car since the bloody mall is like 20 miles away, and when you get there, the aisles are full of frozen pizza and cookies instead of fresh produce and meat. Don't bother nitpicking my statement (it is obviously an exaggeration) -- just notice all these things about your "game Sunday" next time. But since you seem almost slavishly devoted to "omgsomeoneinanewspaperorscientificjournalsaiditsoitmustbetrue" sources, here are some. 1) Map of obesity rate in the US for all states from 1985-2010. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Obesity_state_level_estimates_1985-2010.gif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Obesity_state_level_estima... 2) In 2012, the NFL generated $9.5 billion in revenue http://www.businessinsider.com/sports-chart-of-the-day-nfl-revenue-still-dwarfs-other-major-sports-2012-10 http://www.businessinsider.com/sports-chart-of-the-day-nfl-r.... Yet, it is registered as a non-profit organisation, which essentially means that all of us are indirectly subsidizing it as taxpayers. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/09/25/1241265/-Wait-the-NFL-is-a-non-profit-organization# http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/09/25/1241265/-Wait-the-N...
- jamesaguilar 13y ago
  You've done nothing to connect obesity rates to sports viewing in this comment. At best, your anecdote connected obesity to being in sports bars.
  - parennoob 13y ago
    As I said in the parent, don't bother nitpicking. To appease you, substitute the typical American living room on "game day" for the sports bar. I guarantee you the obesity rate is not lower.
    - jamesaguilar 13y ago
      It's not a nitpick. It's a core and fundamental flaw in the central point of your reasoning.

by jat850 13y ago

criley2 13y ago

The "sports" word was mentioned, so yes, we can expect a deluge of holier than thou prejudiced nerds explaining in very ethnocentric terms why sports is bad. It'd be comical if it wasn't depressing.

parennoob 13y ago
I had to look up what "ethnocentric" meant, but I don't think I am "evaluating other peoples and cultures according to the standards of my own culture" here. Perhaps you could elaborate? (Also, even if I was, don't we all unconsciously view things through the lens of our cultural upbringing? Fail to see how this could be either comical or depressing. Or perhaps you want opinions to be restricted to only people from your own culture?)
- criley2 13y ago
  Yes, it means exactly that. As in, nerds who have lived in their own geek culture bubble all of their lives, aggressively and prejudicedly judging sports culture from the perspective of their own comfort bubble, without ever truly experiencing it with an open mind or truly trying to understand why people enjoy those things and behave that way. Jock-bullying. It's very common in nerd circles, if only as a reflexive against the injustices against nerds, both real and imagined. It's comical/depressing because nerd crowds are generally very self-congratulatory on how open-minded, liberal and intelligent they are. And then this kind of reflexive antagonist behavior against jocks bubbles up, and we're forced to realize that no, just because geeks paint themselves as these smart and open-minded people does not mean it is true. Sometimes, they're no better than bullies, insulting ways of life that they've never tried, simply because it is different or because they are expected by their group to dislike those things.
  - parennoob 13y ago
    This has nothing to do with jocks. If anything, it might be considered bullying people-who-watch-sports-yet-are-in-no-condition-to-play-sports-themselves. You'd think nerds constitute a greater proportion of that than jocks. I don't know much about jock culture, but I'm assuming (perhaps wrongly) that physical fitness plays a part?
    - SheepSlapper 13y ago
      Why stop at sports? Let's start bullying people-who-love-music-but-can't-play-an-instrument-themselves! Or how about people-who-watch-movies-yet-can't-act-their-way-out-of-a-bucket? Those people definitely deserve our scorn...
      - parennoob 13y ago
        If severe deficiency at playing an instrument caused heart attacks, sure, that would be a great idea.

parennoob 13y ago

I'm not entirely sure which side is 'reeking of ignorance' here. Go to any so-called sports bar. The majority of people are obese or overweight and look as if they'd be hard-pressed to run a hundred yards. Look at the majority of commercials during sports games broadcasts. They are typically Doritos, McDonalds, or something else related to fatty, unhealthy food. To go shopping in most places, you have to get your ass in a car since the bloody mall is like 20 miles away, and when you get there, the aisles are full of frozen pizza and cookies instead of fresh produce and meat. Don't bother nitpicking my statement (it is obviously an exaggeration) -- just notice all these things about your "game Sunday" next time. But since you seem almost slavishly devoted to "omgsomeoneinanewspaperorscientificjournalsaiditsoitmustbetrue" sources, here are some. 1) Map of obesity rate in the US for all states from 1985-2010. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Obesity_state_level_estimates_1985-2010.gif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Obesity_state_level_estima... 2) In 2012, the NFL generated $9.5 billion in revenue http://www.businessinsider.com/sports-chart-of-the-day-nfl-revenue-still-dwarfs-other-major-sports-2012-10 http://www.businessinsider.com/sports-chart-of-the-day-nfl-r.... Yet, it is registered as a non-profit organisation, which essentially means that all of us are indirectly subsidizing it as taxpayers. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/09/25/1241265/-Wait-the-NFL-is-a-non-profit-organization# http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/09/25/1241265/-Wait-the-N...

jamesaguilar 13y ago
You've done nothing to connect obesity rates to sports viewing in this comment. At best, your anecdote connected obesity to being in sports bars.
- parennoob 13y ago
  As I said in the parent, don't bother nitpicking. To appease you, substitute the typical American living room on "game day" for the sports bar. I guarantee you the obesity rate is not lower.
  - jamesaguilar 13y ago
    It's not a nitpick. It's a core and fundamental flaw in the central point of your reasoning.