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They're still keeping the search and address boxes separate? :\

by lux 13y ago

sp332 13y ago
If you type a word into the address box, it tries to look it up in DNS. If you put a word in the search bar, it goes straight to search.
- rodms 13y ago
  You can type a ? before the one word in the url bar to go straight to search
  - m_gloeckl 13y ago
    I created keyword search bookmarks for all my frequently used search engines. For example, I often look up music releases on musicbrainz: http://musicbrainz.org/search?query=%s&type=release http://musicbrainz.org/search?query=%s&type=release I bookmarked this URL and assigned a keyword (You can also right-click input fields and select 'Add a keyword for this search'). Now, everytime I enter "mb-r <name of the release I'm looking up>" into the url bar, it goes straight to musicbrainz and inserts my search string into the %s-placeholder.
aroch 13y ago
I prefer it this way...The address box works as a search bar but the search is persistent (ie. I can search for something, close the tab and come back later in two key presses)
- eterm 13y ago
  I've recently tried to switch back from chrome to Firefox but the persistent search thing really bugs me, as well as the fact that it doesn't always search when typing into the url bar. If you want to get back so quickly there are recently closed, bookmarks, history and plenty of other ways. Always persisting the search term I find very visually distracting. Edit: On the other hand, the current tab behaviour is more of an irritation. Middle clicking the tab closes the tab unless it's the last tab when it does nothing. This is irritating. Dragging a tab doesn't work well when that tab is maximised. In chrome if you have 2 windows both maximised it's easy to drag a tab from one window to the other. In firefox you have to make one window smaller first to do this. I'm quite excited to find out if this new interface fixes this.
  - yeukhon 13y ago
    There is a not-so-well-known trick. Type % into the url bar and you can quickly navigate tabs opened. :)
    - sp332 13y ago
      To be specific, starting a search with a % searches only in open tabs. + searches tagged pages, * searches bookmarks, and ^ searches frequently-visited pages that aren't bookmarked.
- kibwen 13y ago
  I also prefer them separate, but rather for ease of navigation. I use the address box as a form of "search my browsing history" to jump to pages that I've visited before, and it's convenient to keep that separate from the search box's own history and automatic suggestions. The fact that Chrome conflates these two concepts is its biggest turn-off to me.
  - johnath 13y ago
    If you're living in your awesomebar and don't already know them, you might want to check out our filters: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/awesome-bar-find-your-bookmarks-history-and-tabs#w_changing-results-on-the-fly https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/awesome-bar-find-your-b... You can restrict location bar matches to bookmarks only, urls only, open tabs only, &c. I don't know if it counts as an easter egg, but it makes my own life a lot easier.
- Pxtl 13y ago
  My problem with conflating search and URL is 1) 1-word searches/domains or searches involving a domain-looking piece of text throw it off. 2) cluttering my typed-URL history with search keywords.
  - aroch 13y ago
    1) My feelings as well 2) Bothers me to an extent but since FF ranks by usage + weights naked domains higher in the awesomebar it isn't too big an issue.
    - Pxtl 13y ago
      On (2), that's good. I have a WP7 phone and it's terrible about typed URLs in the history... search words obliterate your typed URLs 90% of the time.
  - ngpio 13y ago
    > 1) 1-word searches/domains or searches involving a domain-looking piece of text throw it off. With DuckDuckGo, it's easy to prepend/append "!ddg" onto the offending text to force a search. I sometimes have to do this for arithmetic operations, the first operand of which the bar interprets as an address. For me, the small amount of extra time this takes is worth it. A unified search/URL bar, particularly with DDG's bang functionality, feels like a command line. And a command line feels like home.
    - antsar 13y ago
      !ddg is quite a few extra keystrokes though. Isn't it easier to just keep a shortcut key bound to that search? For example, I have 'g' bound for Google. The result: "blah blah" -> Google: blah blah "blahblah" -> attempts to find a host named blahblah "g blahblah" -> Google: blahblah
      - chris_wot 13y ago
        Depends whether you are a vi fan or not.
MLR 13y ago
I just get rid of the search bar and use the URL bar for search too, don't think there are any downsides to doing that.
- FuzzyDunlop 13y ago
  It's handy unless you accidentally start searching for anything that could be mistaken for an IP address or domain. Typing in `0x10c` to find the site for the game, or `minimal-library.js`, or whatever, won't take you to a search results page. Works alright for most things though, and I think it's still better than Google's default to Google approach, which is frustrating when you're working on a locally hosted site and keep getting sent to a search page.
- deleted 13y ago
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- yeukhon 13y ago
  Persistent. You type into the search bar and it stays there until you clear it out. Whereas url bar search you lose it. You have to click on your search engine's search bar on the page.
- Watabou 13y ago
  Well, when searching from the address bar, I can't get the search suggestions to work. Or maybe there's a setting that I missed. Still, I don't use the search bar and leave it off since I only like to keep the the address bar + the download button to minimize complexity.
- buugs 13y ago
  Well in firefox you can't do searches like cache:news.ycombinator.com or site:news.ycombinator.com (Edit: in the address bar) I also prefer the way firefox acts with suggestions in the search and address bar being separate, I often find myself messing up where I meant to go because I thought pressing enter would take me to a site but instead goes to a search. Firefox is easy for me because the address bar acts differently.
notatoad 13y ago
by default. the address box still works as a search box, if you don't want the separate search box just get rid of it.
pcx66 13y ago
I like having them separate too, you can use the Omnibar add-on https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/omnibar/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/omnibar/ to have Chrome-like functionality.
dec0dedab0de 13y ago
I wish they would remove all search functionality from the address bar.
RandallBrown 13y ago
I think they have some data showing that when they're separate, people search more. Since Mozilla gets almost all of their money from searches, it seems like a good idea to keep it that way.
fsck--off 13y ago
A Mozilla coder gave an explanation for this several months ago: "In case you wonder, the reason for which Firefox doesn't merge url and search bar is to protect user's privacy. If you prefer a Chrome-style UI, there are a couple of add-ons that provide just that." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5590988 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5590988
- brymaster 13y ago
  Thanks for that. Any idea on how exactly this protects privacy though? The moz dev didn't clarify.
  - mnutt 13y ago
    I assume the location bar only auto-completes previously visited URLs, while the search bar auto-completes search queries by hitting google with every key you press. So in chrome's unified case, google knows how many times you type http://news.y..* http://news.y..*, not just every potential search query you make.
- jfoster 13y ago
  It's interesting. The address bar currently doubles as a search input, but doesn't autocomplete. The search bar does autocomplete, but won't take you to an address if you put one in it. (it takes you to a search for the address) In my opinion, they need to think this through a bit more. Each input bar is crippled in some way (one won't autocomplete, the other won't go to addresses), and it's all driven by wanting to keep incomplete searches private (until Enter gets hit). Do users realize that the search bar in Firefox is not private, whereas the address bar is? I'm betting not. Do users expect them to be? Chrome assumes not. In my opinion, if the privacy thing is so important, they'd still be better off having just one input with autocomplete off by default, and easily toggled to on. I doubt that users understand the current setup as "address bar is private, search bar is not".
  - Ankaios 13y ago
    Well, I'm a Firefox user, and I understand the difference, and I use the input fields differently depending on whether I mind particular information leaking to a search company. So, I personally strongly prefer leaving things the way they are. I'd actually vote for one change, though: I'd prefer the URL field didn't default to falling back to querying a search engine. One of my pet peeves is mistyping a URL and having my input sent by my system to Google. (That's easy enough for me to change, though, and the Firefox developers seem to be concerned enough about privacy and security to leave the ability to change it intact.)

They're still keeping the search and address boxes separate? :\

by lux 13y ago

They're still keeping the search and address boxes separate? :\

sp332 13y ago

If you type a word into the address box, it tries to look it up in DNS. If you put a word in the search bar, it goes straight to search.

rodms 13y ago
You can type a ? before the one word in the url bar to go straight to search
- m_gloeckl 13y ago
  I created keyword search bookmarks for all my frequently used search engines. For example, I often look up music releases on musicbrainz: http://musicbrainz.org/search?query=%s&type=release http://musicbrainz.org/search?query=%s&type=release I bookmarked this URL and assigned a keyword (You can also right-click input fields and select 'Add a keyword for this search'). Now, everytime I enter "mb-r <name of the release I'm looking up>" into the url bar, it goes straight to musicbrainz and inserts my search string into the %s-placeholder.

aroch 13y ago

I prefer it this way...The address box works as a search bar but the search is persistent (ie. I can search for something, close the tab and come back later in two key presses)

eterm 13y ago
I've recently tried to switch back from chrome to Firefox but the persistent search thing really bugs me, as well as the fact that it doesn't always search when typing into the url bar. If you want to get back so quickly there are recently closed, bookmarks, history and plenty of other ways. Always persisting the search term I find very visually distracting. Edit: On the other hand, the current tab behaviour is more of an irritation. Middle clicking the tab closes the tab unless it's the last tab when it does nothing. This is irritating. Dragging a tab doesn't work well when that tab is maximised. In chrome if you have 2 windows both maximised it's easy to drag a tab from one window to the other. In firefox you have to make one window smaller first to do this. I'm quite excited to find out if this new interface fixes this.
- yeukhon 13y ago
  There is a not-so-well-known trick. Type % into the url bar and you can quickly navigate tabs opened. :)
  - sp332 13y ago
    To be specific, starting a search with a % searches only in open tabs. + searches tagged pages, * searches bookmarks, and ^ searches frequently-visited pages that aren't bookmarked.
kibwen 13y ago
I also prefer them separate, but rather for ease of navigation. I use the address box as a form of "search my browsing history" to jump to pages that I've visited before, and it's convenient to keep that separate from the search box's own history and automatic suggestions. The fact that Chrome conflates these two concepts is its biggest turn-off to me.
- johnath 13y ago
  If you're living in your awesomebar and don't already know them, you might want to check out our filters: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/awesome-bar-find-your-bookmarks-history-and-tabs#w_changing-results-on-the-fly https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/awesome-bar-find-your-b... You can restrict location bar matches to bookmarks only, urls only, open tabs only, &c. I don't know if it counts as an easter egg, but it makes my own life a lot easier.
Pxtl 13y ago
My problem with conflating search and URL is 1) 1-word searches/domains or searches involving a domain-looking piece of text throw it off. 2) cluttering my typed-URL history with search keywords.
- aroch 13y ago
  1) My feelings as well 2) Bothers me to an extent but since FF ranks by usage + weights naked domains higher in the awesomebar it isn't too big an issue.
  - Pxtl 13y ago
    On (2), that's good. I have a WP7 phone and it's terrible about typed URLs in the history... search words obliterate your typed URLs 90% of the time.
- ngpio 13y ago
  > 1) 1-word searches/domains or searches involving a domain-looking piece of text throw it off. With DuckDuckGo, it's easy to prepend/append "!ddg" onto the offending text to force a search. I sometimes have to do this for arithmetic operations, the first operand of which the bar interprets as an address. For me, the small amount of extra time this takes is worth it. A unified search/URL bar, particularly with DDG's bang functionality, feels like a command line. And a command line feels like home.
  - antsar 13y ago
    !ddg is quite a few extra keystrokes though. Isn't it easier to just keep a shortcut key bound to that search? For example, I have 'g' bound for Google. The result: "blah blah" -> Google: blah blah "blahblah" -> attempts to find a host named blahblah "g blahblah" -> Google: blahblah
    - chris_wot 13y ago
      Depends whether you are a vi fan or not.

MLR 13y ago

I just get rid of the search bar and use the URL bar for search too, don't think there are any downsides to doing that.

FuzzyDunlop 13y ago
It's handy unless you accidentally start searching for anything that could be mistaken for an IP address or domain. Typing in `0x10c` to find the site for the game, or `minimal-library.js`, or whatever, won't take you to a search results page. Works alright for most things though, and I think it's still better than Google's default to Google approach, which is frustrating when you're working on a locally hosted site and keep getting sent to a search page.
deleted 13y ago
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yeukhon 13y ago
Persistent. You type into the search bar and it stays there until you clear it out. Whereas url bar search you lose it. You have to click on your search engine's search bar on the page.
Watabou 13y ago
Well, when searching from the address bar, I can't get the search suggestions to work. Or maybe there's a setting that I missed. Still, I don't use the search bar and leave it off since I only like to keep the the address bar + the download button to minimize complexity.
buugs 13y ago
Well in firefox you can't do searches like cache:news.ycombinator.com or site:news.ycombinator.com (Edit: in the address bar) I also prefer the way firefox acts with suggestions in the search and address bar being separate, I often find myself messing up where I meant to go because I thought pressing enter would take me to a site but instead goes to a search. Firefox is easy for me because the address bar acts differently.

notatoad 13y ago

by default. the address box still works as a search box, if you don't want the separate search box just get rid of it.

pcx66 13y ago

I like having them separate too, you can use the Omnibar add-on https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/omnibar/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/omnibar/ to have Chrome-like functionality.

dec0dedab0de 13y ago

I wish they would remove all search functionality from the address bar.

RandallBrown 13y ago

I think they have some data showing that when they're separate, people search more. Since Mozilla gets almost all of their money from searches, it seems like a good idea to keep it that way.

fsck--off 13y ago

A Mozilla coder gave an explanation for this several months ago: "In case you wonder, the reason for which Firefox doesn't merge url and search bar is to protect user's privacy. If you prefer a Chrome-style UI, there are a couple of add-ons that provide just that." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5590988 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5590988

brymaster 13y ago
Thanks for that. Any idea on how exactly this protects privacy though? The moz dev didn't clarify.
- mnutt 13y ago
  I assume the location bar only auto-completes previously visited URLs, while the search bar auto-completes search queries by hitting google with every key you press. So in chrome's unified case, google knows how many times you type http://news.y..* http://news.y..*, not just every potential search query you make.
jfoster 13y ago
It's interesting. The address bar currently doubles as a search input, but doesn't autocomplete. The search bar does autocomplete, but won't take you to an address if you put one in it. (it takes you to a search for the address) In my opinion, they need to think this through a bit more. Each input bar is crippled in some way (one won't autocomplete, the other won't go to addresses), and it's all driven by wanting to keep incomplete searches private (until Enter gets hit). Do users realize that the search bar in Firefox is not private, whereas the address bar is? I'm betting not. Do users expect them to be? Chrome assumes not. In my opinion, if the privacy thing is so important, they'd still be better off having just one input with autocomplete off by default, and easily toggled to on. I doubt that users understand the current setup as "address bar is private, search bar is not".
- Ankaios 13y ago
  Well, I'm a Firefox user, and I understand the difference, and I use the input fields differently depending on whether I mind particular information leaking to a search company. So, I personally strongly prefer leaving things the way they are. I'd actually vote for one change, though: I'd prefer the URL field didn't default to falling back to querying a search engine. One of my pet peeves is mistyping a URL and having my input sent by my system to Google. (That's easy enough for me to change, though, and the Firefox developers seem to be concerned enough about privacy and security to leave the ability to change it intact.)