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You could make the case that owning a movie such as Irreversible(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0290673/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0290673/) would be punishable

by mattivc 13y ago

You could make the case that owning a movie such as Irreversible(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0290673/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0290673/) would be punishable with jail time under this law. There are much better laws that could be be put in place, or that already are in place to protect women from sexual violence. I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but the way western europe is moving at the moment. It's starting to look more and more like the morality police is taking over.

honzzz 13y ago
Why would you say 'western europe'? I am not saying you are wrong. It's just that I was surprised to see stuff like 'blocking porn' coming our of UK, I have not seen anything like that in any other European country and my perception of this was that it's just some weird UK puritanism or something. Obviously I might have missed something.
- c0n5pir4cy 13y ago
  I don't know many people in the UK who likes these decisions, I actually wonder how they make it anywhere. Especially the porn filter, I don't even know why that's still going ahead.
- objclxt 13y ago
  > it's just some weird UK puritanism or something It's politics. The Conservatives (David Cameron's party) are in coalition with the Liberal Democrats. We can debate the merits of the coalition (many do), but the upside is that some of the more extreme policies many Tories wanted to put through have been blocked. This creates a dilemma for David Cameron, not too dissimilar from that of the US Republicans right now: on the one hand, there's an increasingly vocal wing of the party that favors extremely conservative policies (such as pulling out of the EU completely, replacing the EU Human Rights Act, small government, big cuts, etc). On the other, there's the harsh reality that these policies have no chance of getting through a parliament where they don't have an absolute majority. So we are left in this situation where David Cameron announces, on a fairly regular basis, policies that are intended to appease his vocal right wing members (a "British Bill of Rights", a referendum to exit the EU, outlawing violent pornography, etc) that realistically have no chance of becoming legislation. In the unlikely event these policies actually do become legislation (such as forcing unemployed people claiming benefits to work for free) they normally end up being struck down by the courts. I wouldn't disagree with your assessment that the UK is rather more puritan than many of its continental Europe peers - but these policies aren't coming out of that. They're coming out of the fact an election is not all that far away, and the Tories desperately don't want to end up in another coalition government.
antihero 13y ago
Interestingly, the BBFC gave the thumbs up to Irreversible, because the camera was locked off during the rape scene and so it wasn't deemed to be for titillation.
- vezzy-fnord 13y ago
  Was that the official reason? Because it certainly wasn't titillating, regardless of the cinematography. The entire film was meant to unnerve the viewer with the shaking camera, infrasound and unsettling music (the scene where Pierre and Marcus traverse the nightclub is one of the most atmospherically nauseous that I've watched), reverse chronology and absolute nihilism. And of course, the seizure-inducing strobe lights. There was much more going on for it than just the rape scene. It was in no way meant to be erotic.
  - antihero 13y ago
    Yeah, well as official as their podcast can be I guess. Obviously they don't judge a whole film on one scene, but if there is a scene that is particularly graphic such as that one, they often talk about it specifically. I'd recommend their podcast if you can still get ahold of it.

by mattivc 13y ago

honzzz 13y ago

Why would you say 'western europe'? I am not saying you are wrong. It's just that I was surprised to see stuff like 'blocking porn' coming our of UK, I have not seen anything like that in any other European country and my perception of this was that it's just some weird UK puritanism or something. Obviously I might have missed something.

c0n5pir4cy 13y ago
I don't know many people in the UK who likes these decisions, I actually wonder how they make it anywhere. Especially the porn filter, I don't even know why that's still going ahead.
objclxt 13y ago
> it's just some weird UK puritanism or something It's politics. The Conservatives (David Cameron's party) are in coalition with the Liberal Democrats. We can debate the merits of the coalition (many do), but the upside is that some of the more extreme policies many Tories wanted to put through have been blocked. This creates a dilemma for David Cameron, not too dissimilar from that of the US Republicans right now: on the one hand, there's an increasingly vocal wing of the party that favors extremely conservative policies (such as pulling out of the EU completely, replacing the EU Human Rights Act, small government, big cuts, etc). On the other, there's the harsh reality that these policies have no chance of getting through a parliament where they don't have an absolute majority. So we are left in this situation where David Cameron announces, on a fairly regular basis, policies that are intended to appease his vocal right wing members (a "British Bill of Rights", a referendum to exit the EU, outlawing violent pornography, etc) that realistically have no chance of becoming legislation. In the unlikely event these policies actually do become legislation (such as forcing unemployed people claiming benefits to work for free) they normally end up being struck down by the courts. I wouldn't disagree with your assessment that the UK is rather more puritan than many of its continental Europe peers - but these policies aren't coming out of that. They're coming out of the fact an election is not all that far away, and the Tories desperately don't want to end up in another coalition government.

antihero 13y ago

Interestingly, the BBFC gave the thumbs up to Irreversible, because the camera was locked off during the rape scene and so it wasn't deemed to be for titillation.

vezzy-fnord 13y ago
Was that the official reason? Because it certainly wasn't titillating, regardless of the cinematography. The entire film was meant to unnerve the viewer with the shaking camera, infrasound and unsettling music (the scene where Pierre and Marcus traverse the nightclub is one of the most atmospherically nauseous that I've watched), reverse chronology and absolute nihilism. And of course, the seizure-inducing strobe lights. There was much more going on for it than just the rape scene. It was in no way meant to be erotic.
- antihero 13y ago
  Yeah, well as official as their podcast can be I guess. Obviously they don't judge a whole film on one scene, but if there is a scene that is particularly graphic such as that one, they often talk about it specifically. I'd recommend their podcast if you can still get ahold of it.