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His arguments are amazingly unconvincing, and he attempts to sweep by far the most important point for most people—whether or not Gmail is a good mail client or

His arguments are amazingly unconvincing, and he attempts to sweep by far the most important point for most people—whether or not Gmail is a good mail client or not—away with random hand-waving: "Meanwhile, its interface is as stale and frustrating as ever". Er, no, David, it's not (and never was). Where does ZDNET find these bozos? As far as I can tell, this is ZDNET hastily attempting to get some clicks by pandering to the youtube rage-quitting brigade. Business as usual for them I suppose, but why do people post this crap to HN?

na85 13y ago
I've been downmodded heavily elsewhere onsite for suggesting that HNers love to hate google because of hipster mentality, so that clearly can't be it...
- alwaysinshade 13y ago
  I'd say I'm a hipster, but I still like Google. I think you would have been down-voted for shitcanning hipsters (the implication is that rage-quitting Google's services it's fashionable and they're sheep) rather than you being correct that it's due to hipster mentality. In a way, shitcanning hipsters is fashionable, so we're all treading the same ground. Let's all have a beer together and chill out, just mind the beards. Disclaimer: I don't have a beard
- ars_technician 13y ago
  >I've been downmodded heavily elsewhere onsite for suggesting that HNers love to hate google because of hipster mentality Because it's a stupid reason. You would get the same response if you suggested that the reason was that HNers love to hate google because they hate logos with color in them.
  - na85 13y ago
    I think that if you examine the meta on HN dispassionately you'll see it's actually a very good reason. It often gets couched in different language, but a great deal of HNers have a large dislike of HN because of either groupthink or mainstream-aversion.
- pyre 13y ago
  > I've been downmodded [...] for suggesting [...] because of hipster mentality That's probably your problem right there. You're attempting to apply a negative label ('hipster') to a group of people with whom you disagree. If your only counter-point to someone is to 'suggest' that they only hold a particular view because it's trendy, then you're going to run into issues.
- ksk 13y ago
  Whats wrong with not liking Google? I don't like them. Then again I don't like most corporations. Unfortunately Google also being an advertising company gets double my hate.
joelrunyon 13y ago
> "Meanwhile, its interface is as stale and frustrating as ever" The UX redesign from a couple months back was definitely one of the triggers pushing me to look for alternate services.

na85 13y ago

I've been downmodded heavily elsewhere onsite for suggesting that HNers love to hate google because of hipster mentality, so that clearly can't be it...

alwaysinshade 13y ago
I'd say I'm a hipster, but I still like Google. I think you would have been down-voted for shitcanning hipsters (the implication is that rage-quitting Google's services it's fashionable and they're sheep) rather than you being correct that it's due to hipster mentality. In a way, shitcanning hipsters is fashionable, so we're all treading the same ground. Let's all have a beer together and chill out, just mind the beards. Disclaimer: I don't have a beard
ars_technician 13y ago
>I've been downmodded heavily elsewhere onsite for suggesting that HNers love to hate google because of hipster mentality Because it's a stupid reason. You would get the same response if you suggested that the reason was that HNers love to hate google because they hate logos with color in them.
- na85 13y ago
  I think that if you examine the meta on HN dispassionately you'll see it's actually a very good reason. It often gets couched in different language, but a great deal of HNers have a large dislike of HN because of either groupthink or mainstream-aversion.
pyre 13y ago
> I've been downmodded [...] for suggesting [...] because of hipster mentality That's probably your problem right there. You're attempting to apply a negative label ('hipster') to a group of people with whom you disagree. If your only counter-point to someone is to 'suggest' that they only hold a particular view because it's trendy, then you're going to run into issues.
ksk 13y ago
Whats wrong with not liking Google? I don't like them. Then again I don't like most corporations. Unfortunately Google also being an advertising company gets double my hate.

joelrunyon 13y ago

> "Meanwhile, its interface is as stale and frustrating as ever" The UX redesign from a couple months back was definitely one of the triggers pushing me to look for alternate services.