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Can I ask the obvious question Why? Email (IMAP/SMTP) is so standard, there are lots of companies out there that do it better and cheaper than you yourself can

by dirkdk 13y ago

Can I ask the obvious question Why? Email (IMAP/SMTP) is so standard, there are lots of companies out there that do it better and cheaper than you yourself can do. GMail (Google Apps for business) and Fastmail.fm are the 2 names I always recommend. Another factor to consider is how you will keep your SMTP ip-addresses from being blacklisted. Companies like Mailchimp and Sendgrid spend a lot of time and effort on this. With your own very low volume, it takes only a couple of persons to mark your email as spam and suddenly all mails sent from your domain end up in in spam folders, no matter what DKIM or SPF settings you have configured. Only reason I would see is when you want to keep your email away from the NSA and therefore out of the USA (Fastmail is Australian based btw http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/10/07/are-overseas-based-companies-free-from-nsa-requests-australias-fastmail-thinks-so/ http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/10/07/are-overseas-based-...). Keeping your server out of the USA will not mean that your email will never travel through the USA, where the NSA can still access it, as SMTP is very cleartext between MTA's.

ivanstojic 13y ago
At the risk of sounding like another one of the "Google is evil" people, I'd like to voice my concern that Google is better at managing mail then I am. I just moved from one country to another and I can't change the billing settings on my Google Apps account because... Google Apps don't support that. The official stance is that I should just download a backup of my accounts, delete them, recreate them with different billing options. However, other than preserving my mail and Google Drive, this won't preserve any of my other content which must either be backed up using third party tools and then manually recovered/recreated. I'm not sure how this can be interpreted as a sign that Google can do this better than I can.
Goladus 13y ago
As much as the NSA concerns me, and as a political issue it's far more important, I am interested in reducing dependency on Google because as far as I am concerned Google has broken its trust with me all by itself. It has nothing to do with the NSA debacle. I don't have time for a rant but the short is: I'm sick of their identity management, their willingness to put blatantly obvious "search bubble" results based on recent (or even non-recent) activity-- stuff that is prominently visible to anyone who might be sharing a screen with me. Ditto for chrome's "most visited pages" thumbnails when you open a new tab, which I disabled but had to install a plugin to do. There's some other minor issues. But the final straw came a few weeks ago when my search history showed up unexpectedly on my girlfriend's phone-- I suppose because she logged into chrome on my laptop to check her Gmail. Until she logged out, auto-complete on her phone was using MY search history from chrome on my desktop. What the FUCK? Obviously I trust her enough to let her log into my laptop so it didn't cause me problems here, but I had no way to know that would happen. So what's it going to be next time? What's google's next clever/reckless silicon valley echo chamber idea that's going to cause me problems? I'd rather not wait to find out. So I've begun the process of reducing google dependence. Email is a big one, Gmail is my single biggest google dependency.

by dirkdk 13y ago

ivanstojic 13y ago

At the risk of sounding like another one of the "Google is evil" people, I'd like to voice my concern that Google is better at managing mail then I am. I just moved from one country to another and I can't change the billing settings on my Google Apps account because... Google Apps don't support that. The official stance is that I should just download a backup of my accounts, delete them, recreate them with different billing options. However, other than preserving my mail and Google Drive, this won't preserve any of my other content which must either be backed up using third party tools and then manually recovered/recreated. I'm not sure how this can be interpreted as a sign that Google can do this better than I can.

Goladus 13y ago

As much as the NSA concerns me, and as a political issue it's far more important, I am interested in reducing dependency on Google because as far as I am concerned Google has broken its trust with me all by itself. It has nothing to do with the NSA debacle. I don't have time for a rant but the short is: I'm sick of their identity management, their willingness to put blatantly obvious "search bubble" results based on recent (or even non-recent) activity-- stuff that is prominently visible to anyone who might be sharing a screen with me. Ditto for chrome's "most visited pages" thumbnails when you open a new tab, which I disabled but had to install a plugin to do. There's some other minor issues. But the final straw came a few weeks ago when my search history showed up unexpectedly on my girlfriend's phone-- I suppose because she logged into chrome on my laptop to check her Gmail. Until she logged out, auto-complete on her phone was using MY search history from chrome on my desktop. What the FUCK? Obviously I trust her enough to let her log into my laptop so it didn't cause me problems here, but I had no way to know that would happen. So what's it going to be next time? What's google's next clever/reckless silicon valley echo chamber idea that's going to cause me problems? I'd rather not wait to find out. So I've begun the process of reducing google dependence. Email is a big one, Gmail is my single biggest google dependency.