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Agreed. In fact you have to be an incredibly strong player (2600+) to not be wiped off the board in around 20 moves these days. The Bulgarian cheater who was re

Agreed. In fact you have to be an incredibly strong player (2600+) to not be wiped off the board in around 20 moves these days. The Bulgarian cheater who was recently banned regularly crushed GMs - it was scary.

wslh 13y ago
But, don't you think that there is room for improvement on the humand side? probably with creativity.
- pi-rat 13y ago
  Creativity (and carlsen is a big creativity player in the early game) doesn't really matter as long as the computer is strong enough to explore most, if not all game branches in the end game 20 moves deep. A really good player can only hope to draw.
- petegrif 13y ago
  Hard to see what it could mean. And even if some genius came up with some currently inconceivable insight that could also be added to the computer's repetoire.
richardw 13y ago
I only became aware of the issue when reading these articles [1]. It's possible there's some leeway he's owed. I don't know enough about it, obviously. [1] http://en.chessbase.com/post/a-gro-miscarriage-of-justice-in-computer-che-part-one- http://en.chessbase.com/post/a-gro-miscarriage-of-justice-in... Full paper: http://en.chessbase.com/portals/4/files/news/2011/riis01.pdf http://en.chessbase.com/portals/4/files/news/2011/riis01.pdf
- petegrif 13y ago
  That's right. I was referring to Ivanov and he was well and truly busted recently and has now 'retired.'
- pk2200 13y ago
  The "Bulgarian cheater" he's referring to is Borislav Ivanov (http://en.chessbase.com/tagged?tag=Cheating http://en.chessbase.com/tagged?tag=Cheating). The evidence against him is overwhelming, especially this statistical analysis of Ivanov's games (http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~regan/chess/fidelity/ACPcover-and-report.pdf http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~regan/chess/fidelity/ACPcover-an...) The links you posted are about Vasik Rajlich, who was banned from the World Computer Chess Championships over allegations of GPL violations.

wslh 13y ago

But, don't you think that there is room for improvement on the humand side? probably with creativity.

pi-rat 13y ago
Creativity (and carlsen is a big creativity player in the early game) doesn't really matter as long as the computer is strong enough to explore most, if not all game branches in the end game 20 moves deep. A really good player can only hope to draw.
petegrif 13y ago
Hard to see what it could mean. And even if some genius came up with some currently inconceivable insight that could also be added to the computer's repetoire.

richardw 13y ago

I only became aware of the issue when reading these articles [1]. It's possible there's some leeway he's owed. I don't know enough about it, obviously. [1] http://en.chessbase.com/post/a-gro-miscarriage-of-justice-in-computer-che-part-one- http://en.chessbase.com/post/a-gro-miscarriage-of-justice-in... Full paper: http://en.chessbase.com/portals/4/files/news/2011/riis01.pdf http://en.chessbase.com/portals/4/files/news/2011/riis01.pdf

petegrif 13y ago
That's right. I was referring to Ivanov and he was well and truly busted recently and has now 'retired.'
pk2200 13y ago
The "Bulgarian cheater" he's referring to is Borislav Ivanov (http://en.chessbase.com/tagged?tag=Cheating http://en.chessbase.com/tagged?tag=Cheating). The evidence against him is overwhelming, especially this statistical analysis of Ivanov's games (http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~regan/chess/fidelity/ACPcover-and-report.pdf http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~regan/chess/fidelity/ACPcover-an...) The links you posted are about Vasik Rajlich, who was banned from the World Computer Chess Championships over allegations of GPL violations.