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Probably not. I think that battle is over I enjoy the pragmatic stance of Anand on the matter http://www.chessquotes.com/player-anand http://www.chessquotes.co

by tbrake 13y ago

Probably not. I think that battle is over I enjoy the pragmatic stance of Anand on the matter http://www.chessquotes.com/player-anand http://www.chessquotes.com/player-anand : There are some things we do much better than computers, but since most of chess is tactically based they do many things better than humans. And this imbalance remains. I no longer have any issues. It’s bit like asking an astronomer, does he mind that a telescope does all the work. He is used to it. It is just an incredible tool that you can use.

petegrif 13y ago
Agreed. In fact you have to be an incredibly strong player (2600+) to not be wiped off the board in around 20 moves these days. The Bulgarian cheater who was recently banned regularly crushed GMs - it was scary.
- wslh 13y ago
  But, don't you think that there is room for improvement on the humand side? probably with creativity.
  - pi-rat 13y ago
    Creativity (and carlsen is a big creativity player in the early game) doesn't really matter as long as the computer is strong enough to explore most, if not all game branches in the end game 20 moves deep. A really good player can only hope to draw.
  - petegrif 13y ago
    Hard to see what it could mean. And even if some genius came up with some currently inconceivable insight that could also be added to the computer's repetoire.
- richardw 13y ago
  I only became aware of the issue when reading these articles [1]. It's possible there's some leeway he's owed. I don't know enough about it, obviously. [1] http://en.chessbase.com/post/a-gro-miscarriage-of-justice-in-computer-che-part-one- http://en.chessbase.com/post/a-gro-miscarriage-of-justice-in... Full paper: http://en.chessbase.com/portals/4/files/news/2011/riis01.pdf http://en.chessbase.com/portals/4/files/news/2011/riis01.pdf
  - petegrif 13y ago
    That's right. I was referring to Ivanov and he was well and truly busted recently and has now 'retired.'
  - pk2200 13y ago
    The "Bulgarian cheater" he's referring to is Borislav Ivanov (http://en.chessbase.com/tagged?tag=Cheating http://en.chessbase.com/tagged?tag=Cheating). The evidence against him is overwhelming, especially this statistical analysis of Ivanov's games (http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~regan/chess/fidelity/ACPcover-and-report.pdf http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~regan/chess/fidelity/ACPcover-an...) The links you posted are about Vasik Rajlich, who was banned from the World Computer Chess Championships over allegations of GPL violations.
wslh 13y ago
The battle is not over, look at the last comment thread. It seems computers didn't predict what Carlsen saw: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6780928 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6780928

by tbrake 13y ago

petegrif 13y ago

Agreed. In fact you have to be an incredibly strong player (2600+) to not be wiped off the board in around 20 moves these days. The Bulgarian cheater who was recently banned regularly crushed GMs - it was scary.

wslh 13y ago
But, don't you think that there is room for improvement on the humand side? probably with creativity.
- pi-rat 13y ago
  Creativity (and carlsen is a big creativity player in the early game) doesn't really matter as long as the computer is strong enough to explore most, if not all game branches in the end game 20 moves deep. A really good player can only hope to draw.
- petegrif 13y ago
  Hard to see what it could mean. And even if some genius came up with some currently inconceivable insight that could also be added to the computer's repetoire.
richardw 13y ago
I only became aware of the issue when reading these articles [1]. It's possible there's some leeway he's owed. I don't know enough about it, obviously. [1] http://en.chessbase.com/post/a-gro-miscarriage-of-justice-in-computer-che-part-one- http://en.chessbase.com/post/a-gro-miscarriage-of-justice-in... Full paper: http://en.chessbase.com/portals/4/files/news/2011/riis01.pdf http://en.chessbase.com/portals/4/files/news/2011/riis01.pdf
- petegrif 13y ago
  That's right. I was referring to Ivanov and he was well and truly busted recently and has now 'retired.'
- pk2200 13y ago
  The "Bulgarian cheater" he's referring to is Borislav Ivanov (http://en.chessbase.com/tagged?tag=Cheating http://en.chessbase.com/tagged?tag=Cheating). The evidence against him is overwhelming, especially this statistical analysis of Ivanov's games (http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~regan/chess/fidelity/ACPcover-and-report.pdf http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~regan/chess/fidelity/ACPcover-an...) The links you posted are about Vasik Rajlich, who was banned from the World Computer Chess Championships over allegations of GPL violations.

wslh 13y ago

The battle is not over, look at the last comment thread. It seems computers didn't predict what Carlsen saw: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6780928 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6780928