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How could they have left out the patronizing irrelevant [0] links [1] to Wikipedia [2] in all the wannabe-academic [3] comments with references[4]? (and yes, r
by nzmsv 13y ago
How could they have left out the patronizing irrelevant [0] links [1] to Wikipedia [2] in all the wannabe-academic [3] comments with references[4]?
(and yes, references must be 0-based [5])
[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relevance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relevance
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_resource_locator http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_resource_locator
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academia
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citation
[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-based_numbering http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-based_numbering
- sillysaurus2 13y agoParodies are usually funny because they're true. The citations in HN comments are some of the most valuable contributions to the site. This whole post is depressing. Far from lighthearted fun, these comments all have an undercurrent of hostility ("wannabe-academic"). The mosaic formed by these comments imply pg has harmed the world by creating HN. But that couldn't be further from the truth. Imagine where you'd be forced to go if HN didn't exist, for example.
- nzmsv 13y agoI had in mind the kind of format that in effect says "really, I think you are too dumb to use Google" rather than someone pointing out an actual useful resource or a place for further reading. If the reference took some non-trivial research to find, it is of course welcome and useful. The too-obvious Wikipedia link is an attempt to imitate references of the useful variety with the intent of appearing sophisticated.
- Bahamut 13y agoI think 4chan has harmed the world a lot more than HN shrug.
- yen223 13y agoI like how, in a thread parodying HN comments, one 4-channer still managed to complain about "white-knighting".
- nzmsv 13y agoYou are reading too much into these comments, I think. Just because there are some annoyances on HN doesn't mean it is the embodiment of pure evil. > Imagine where you'd be forced to go if HN didn't exist, for example. A better HN. It is possible: HN was such a place a couple years ago. And it can only get worse if the community keeps taking itself too seriously to allow even light-hearted criticism.
- benched 13y agoNonsense. The world can always use another joke. It's rough out there.
- goronbjorn 13y ago> Imagine where you'd be forced to go if HN didn't exist, for example. Outside, maybe?
- praptak 13y agoComing unprepared to 4chan and reading its take on anything (including 4chan itself) leads to the conclusion that it harms the world and its creators should be ashamed of the fact they haven't committed suicide yet.
- jlgreco 13y agoWhat a vile thing to say. Then again, this is 4chan, so I shouldn't be supri...oh nope. I switched back to the HN tab. This is praptak, pretending to be high and mighty on HN, proving himself wrong in the same breath.
- anigbrowl 13y agoಠ_ರೃ
- seszett 13y ago> Imagine where you'd be forced to go if HN didn't exist, for example. If you're saying that, I think you're actually part of the problem. Don't get your news and discussions from only one place on the web. There are lots more and it doesn't cost you anything visiting other places and reading comments from other people. The only risk is reading elsewhere something that didn't get to HN's frontpage.
- roel_v 13y agoA wikipedia link is not a citation.
- Karunamon 13y agoDepends on the context. HN is not a scientific journal.
- eli_gottlieb 13y agoSlashdot?
- ugexe 13y agoSo you think its fine for a news site to only cover the ~10 topics covered by the various 4chan complaints? Do you blog on a node.js powered meteor ported to go with beatz by dre too?
- peterashford 13y agoI think that HN is hostile (and that this is PG's fault) but that doesn't make it useless.
- hayksaakian 13y agoWikipedia links as references in comments are helpful Initially, I thought you were referring to the "Submission is a link to a wikipedia article"
- hnriot 13y agohow so? google makes linking to wikipedia rather irrelevant. Although of course it's the very linking to wikipedia (et al) that makes google so good.
- hayksaakian 13y agoIts a great convenience, I don't have to take adittional actions to find what I'm actually interested in
- deleted 13y ago[deleted]
- yen223 13y agoAre you seriously complaining that too many people are citing their sources?
- masklinn 13y ago> in all the wannabe-academic comments with references References would be unnecessary if HN comments supported such complex and over-the-top formatting as links (or escapable asterisks, for that matter, but then again who ever heard about using asterisks in a programming context?), which definitely haven't been a feature of all forum softwares since time immemorial. It does not, and posting links inline often makes for unreadable garbage, hence pseudo-references, exactly as in mailing lists.
- pygy_ 13y agoFormally, ordinals start at zero [0]. We owe their latest definition to Von Neumann, but former (technical) definitions were similar. -- [0] This is meta-meta-contrarianism. - The layman counts from one - The uptight programmer counts from zero, because he thinks Dijkstra said so [1]. - The meta-contrarian (which I used to be) says fuck it, ordinals start at one [0]. - The meta-meta-contrarian reads Von Neumann[1], realizes he was formally wrong, and goes one step further in pedanticity, back to zero [0]. [1] http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD08xx/EWD831.html http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD08xx/EW... [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinal_number_%28linguistics%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinal_number_%28linguistics%2... [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinal_number#Von_Neumann_definition_of_ordinals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinal_number#Von_Neumann_defi... [0] Help! I'm trapped in a Boolean algebra[1][0]! [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boolean_algebras_canonically_de.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boolean_algebras_canonically_de.... [0] ... where xor is an addition that wraps around ... That being said, my brain prefers 1-indexing programming languages like Lua, Julia, R and Matlab...
- jeltz 13y agoI have never seen those links as patronizing, they are often useful and the reason they use what you call "wannabe-academic" formatting is because it is impossible to post inline links without killing readability. This is what people usually do in mailing lists too
- city41 13y agoThis approach took off because the markdown here does not allow for named links. Embedding those full URLs in the body of the comment is not so hot.
- ahoge 13y agoIt's the only way to add some kind of "inline" links. It's just a side-effect of some arbitrary limitation.
- sampo 13y ago> all the wannabe-academic [3] comments Don't you think some of the commenters might actually be academic, not wannabes?