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I can't get too worked up about a system that sentences this guy to life in prison. Is that seriously the best fucking option you can come up with? A massively

I can't get too worked up about a system that sentences this guy to life in prison. Is that seriously the best fucking option you can come up with? A massively expensive revenge-trip that causes far, far more damage than the theft of a wallet? Perhaps there's some kind of much, much more effective way to get him to stop taking things that don't belong to him. I say perhaps; of course there are. Lots, that are cheaper, more effective and build a better society; but no, (parts of) the US is happy doing this. Cutting off its own nose to spite its own face and destroying a life in the process, behaving like children.

waps 13y ago
I wonder what his three strikes are ? I thought that for three strikes you're only fucked if at least one of those strikes involved violence and a victim ?
- EliRivers 13y ago
  I understand that (in California, at least) the first two strikes must be for serious or violent felonies; violence is not necessary to count.
nhangen 13y ago
Are you kidding me? What do you want to do instead, cut his hand off? If we have to pay to keep a criminal like this off the street, then I'm OK with that. We're paying for protection. Not to mention, there's lots that could go wrong with lacking the 'impulse control' to enter someone's hotel room.
- PeterisP 13y ago
  You got me thinking - it would be 'cruel&unusual' and invoke flashbacks to barbaric times, but a '3-strikes' policy that would put a permenent, visible brand "i'm a thief" or "i'm a con-man" would probably deter opportunities future crimes. It's not humane and it restricts liberty - but it's more humane and less liberty-restricting than the corrent "solution" of permanent imprisonment.
- EliRivers 13y ago
  Are you kidding me? What do you want to do instead, cut his hand off? The sheer lack of imagination and knowledge you exhibit is astonishing. If I don't think it's smart to imprison him, I must want to cut his hand off? Let me guess; you're a US citizen and you don't travel much, so all you've ever seen regarding prison policy is identical US politicians posturing over who can be more "tough on crime"?
  - SolarNet 13y ago
    Instead of insulting him, why not provide some links: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/feb/25/norwegian-prison-inmates-treated-like-people http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/feb/25/norwegian-pri... http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/11/sweden-closes-prisons-number-inmates-plummets http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/11/sweden-closes-p...
  - nhangen 13y ago
    My point is that you are overly quick to criticize, but very slow to present alternatives. Let's hear it. What do you suggest?

waps 13y ago

I wonder what his three strikes are ? I thought that for three strikes you're only fucked if at least one of those strikes involved violence and a victim ?

EliRivers 13y ago
I understand that (in California, at least) the first two strikes must be for serious or violent felonies; violence is not necessary to count.

nhangen 13y ago

Are you kidding me? What do you want to do instead, cut his hand off? If we have to pay to keep a criminal like this off the street, then I'm OK with that. We're paying for protection. Not to mention, there's lots that could go wrong with lacking the 'impulse control' to enter someone's hotel room.

PeterisP 13y ago
You got me thinking - it would be 'cruel&unusual' and invoke flashbacks to barbaric times, but a '3-strikes' policy that would put a permenent, visible brand "i'm a thief" or "i'm a con-man" would probably deter opportunities future crimes. It's not humane and it restricts liberty - but it's more humane and less liberty-restricting than the corrent "solution" of permanent imprisonment.
EliRivers 13y ago
Are you kidding me? What do you want to do instead, cut his hand off? The sheer lack of imagination and knowledge you exhibit is astonishing. If I don't think it's smart to imprison him, I must want to cut his hand off? Let me guess; you're a US citizen and you don't travel much, so all you've ever seen regarding prison policy is identical US politicians posturing over who can be more "tough on crime"?
- SolarNet 13y ago
  Instead of insulting him, why not provide some links: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/feb/25/norwegian-prison-inmates-treated-like-people http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/feb/25/norwegian-pri... http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/11/sweden-closes-prisons-number-inmates-plummets http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/11/sweden-closes-p...
- nhangen 13y ago
  My point is that you are overly quick to criticize, but very slow to present alternatives. Let's hear it. What do you suggest?