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Crime in the 1970s got out of control. Stuff like this played a role in turning it around. Does anyone have any data to back this claim up?

mschuster91 13y ago
Yeah, the decline in murder counts, for example.
- sillysaurus2 13y ago
  http://i.imgur.com/S5QjFxC.png http://i.imgur.com/S5QjFxC.png Does anyone know of any research showing that the decline in murder counts is primarily due to harsher penalties?
  - protomyth 13y ago
    I'm sure there (check the prison union website) is but books like Freakanomics give different reasons (legalized abortions).
  - lostlogin 13y ago
    About this time someone always links to the lead and crime story. And because its a good article I'll link to it now. http://m.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-link-gasoline http://m.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-link...
  - clarky07 13y ago
    A lot of people attribute it to Roe v Wade[1]. Less unwanted babies growing up in environments that lead to a life of crime. [1] see Freakonomics
  - pfedor 13y ago
    For example, Steven Pinker looks into this a little in "The Better Angels of Our Nature", long story short there's nothing conclusive, and a sufficiently motivated person can find reasons to doubt it (e.g., the big drop in crime happened some ten years after the ramp up of incarceration rates, Canada experienced a similar decline in crime over that period without the corresponding increase in prison population), however, Pinker himself thinks that when all is said and done it seems likely that incarceration was one of the reasons. One other contributing factor was a large increase in the size of police forces during Clinton's presidency. On top of that, he argues the culture just for some reason shifted to being less violent. (I want to also mention that he debunks quite convincingly the theory that the decrease in crime had anything to do with legalizing abortion.)
protomyth 13y ago
Check the CDC website, it has the stats. Violent crime has been in decline in the US since the 1970s. (Down voted for pointing out where to get the stats - very funny - must be DOJ folks)
- sillysaurus2 13y ago
  Down voted for pointing out where to get the stats Probably best to just assume it was an accident. I've done it more than once on mobile.
  - protomyth 13y ago
    I wish the up arrow was bigger and the down arrow was moved after the [link]. It would save a lot of hassle and provide a guidance that up is nicer than down.
- jackpirate 13y ago
  Everyone agrees that violent crime is in decline. But the cause is a hotly disputed issue. I personally don't find compelling the idea that tough on crime laws are the cause.
  - protomyth 13y ago
    Well, quite a lot of politicians and pundits seem to think otherwise. It is getting a bit tiresome. Also, I was responding to someone who wanted a citation of the stats. Freakanomics has a long section on it that contradicts Gladwell and I am inclined to believe the Freakanomics since they back it up with stats. This isn't scientific but It just seems like the 70's had a very chaotic vibe with a lot of external stuff hitting the US. The economy wasn't strong and we were going into a massive transition (factory -> office). Nixon (scandal & economy) and Carter (personified weak) didn't help a whole lot. A lot of in decline thinking causes a lot of unrest and crime. I would rank most tough crime laws as a cause not a cure.

mschuster91 13y ago

Yeah, the decline in murder counts, for example.

sillysaurus2 13y ago
http://i.imgur.com/S5QjFxC.png http://i.imgur.com/S5QjFxC.png Does anyone know of any research showing that the decline in murder counts is primarily due to harsher penalties?
- protomyth 13y ago
  I'm sure there (check the prison union website) is but books like Freakanomics give different reasons (legalized abortions).
- lostlogin 13y ago
  About this time someone always links to the lead and crime story. And because its a good article I'll link to it now. http://m.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-link-gasoline http://m.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-link...
- clarky07 13y ago
  A lot of people attribute it to Roe v Wade[1]. Less unwanted babies growing up in environments that lead to a life of crime. [1] see Freakonomics
- pfedor 13y ago
  For example, Steven Pinker looks into this a little in "The Better Angels of Our Nature", long story short there's nothing conclusive, and a sufficiently motivated person can find reasons to doubt it (e.g., the big drop in crime happened some ten years after the ramp up of incarceration rates, Canada experienced a similar decline in crime over that period without the corresponding increase in prison population), however, Pinker himself thinks that when all is said and done it seems likely that incarceration was one of the reasons. One other contributing factor was a large increase in the size of police forces during Clinton's presidency. On top of that, he argues the culture just for some reason shifted to being less violent. (I want to also mention that he debunks quite convincingly the theory that the decrease in crime had anything to do with legalizing abortion.)

protomyth 13y ago

Check the CDC website, it has the stats. Violent crime has been in decline in the US since the 1970s. (Down voted for pointing out where to get the stats - very funny - must be DOJ folks)

sillysaurus2 13y ago
Down voted for pointing out where to get the stats Probably best to just assume it was an accident. I've done it more than once on mobile.
- protomyth 13y ago
  I wish the up arrow was bigger and the down arrow was moved after the [link]. It would save a lot of hassle and provide a guidance that up is nicer than down.
jackpirate 13y ago
Everyone agrees that violent crime is in decline. But the cause is a hotly disputed issue. I personally don't find compelling the idea that tough on crime laws are the cause.
- protomyth 13y ago
  Well, quite a lot of politicians and pundits seem to think otherwise. It is getting a bit tiresome. Also, I was responding to someone who wanted a citation of the stats. Freakanomics has a long section on it that contradicts Gladwell and I am inclined to believe the Freakanomics since they back it up with stats. This isn't scientific but It just seems like the 70's had a very chaotic vibe with a lot of external stuff hitting the US. The economy wasn't strong and we were going into a massive transition (factory -> office). Nixon (scandal & economy) and Carter (personified weak) didn't help a whole lot. A lot of in decline thinking causes a lot of unrest and crime. I would rank most tough crime laws as a cause not a cure.