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Show HN: Moon by Ai Weiwei and Olafur Eliasson

52 points by szx 13y ago

liyanchang 13y ago
Summary for those of you on text-based or js-free browsers: It's a sphere, subdivided into squares. Everyone shares the same space, so you can draw in a random square (if you login) or browse other peoples marks.
- modo_ 13y ago
  All I see is a black screen on Chrome...?
  - mediocregopher 13y ago
    If you have ghostery it blocks stuff the site needs. This was the problem for me anyway.
    - touristtam 13y ago
      mmmm. So ghostery is reporting blocking the following: * Facebook Connect - Widgets * Google Analytics - Analytics * New Relic - Analytics * Typekit by Adobe - Widgets Are you saying the website _needs_ one of all the above to display some webgl content ? Or something else is being blocked by this extension?
      - szx 13y ago
        Will look into it. We haven't had time to test with ghostery/disconnect but the site definitely doesn't _need_ any of those things to work (except maybe it wouldn't look very nice without the fonts from typekit). It's a bug, not a feature :)
        Kronopath 13y ago
        It's Facebook Connect that's causing the issue. Unblocking that makes it visible.
      - mediocregopher 13y ago
        All I'm saying is I disabled ghostery, refreshed, and the site worked fine for me. YMMV.
  - szx 13y ago
    Perhaps a WebGL issue? Email is in my profile if you're still having a difficulty.
- nogridbag 13y ago
  Oh wow, I left this tab open overnight. I thought it was simply a spherical particle system demo and never gave it a second thought to attempt to click the sphere.
danso 13y ago
Just curious...what is the submitter's relation to Ai Weiwei and Olafur Eliasson? Is he/she their developer, or actually either Ai/Olafur? Either would be pretty cool :)
- szx 13y ago
  Creative director (and developer). I doubt the artists have time to read HN :)
  - exit 13y ago
    can you describe the process of working with the artists to develop this? did they come to you with the finished idea, or a general concept, or ..? was there a lot of iteration on the idea?
    - szx 13y ago
      It was an incredible collaboration experience. We talk about this in the "making of" video that should be coming out soon (assuming we make the cut...)
jmillikin 13y ago
Seems similar to http://www.drawball.com/ http://www.drawball.com/ , except that Moon requires registration while Drawball is anonymous. Ironic, considering the artists.
- Nux 13y ago
  Indeed, the login thing kind of kills it.
  - szx 13y ago
    We initially wanted it to be anonymous but ended up going with login for two main reasons: - Social login means sharing is only a click away, encouraging conversation and possibly more thoughtful contributions. - We wanted to give people equal chance of contributing and avoid the scenario where a handful of users (vandals?) find the site before everyone else and take over it all. That meant limiting the number of marks a person can make in a given time period - and that's easiest to do when you have users. Would love to hear your thoughts on these points. This is still a work in progress after all...
D9u 13y ago
This is really cool! I like the message. Aloha!
shalmanese 13y ago
"A Year of Drawball" is one of the most fascinating videos of collaborative social phenomena I've ever seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovG-t_JPGB4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovG-t_JPGB4 The mechanics are very similar to Moon, each individual user only had a tiny amount of ink on an extremely zoomed in canvas so large artworks would require co-operation from hundreds of people.
ssully 13y ago
Pretty neat. Reminds me a lot of curiosity by 22 cans.
tluyben2 13y ago
My browsers do have WebGL, yet the site says they don't. Chrome + Firefox on OS X. Other Webgl sites/games work.
iSnow 13y ago
This is really nice, but what happens once it hits 4Chan?
- quchen 13y ago
  The authors probably know about that, and I think it's part of the experiment. It's much harder to make giant drawings here though, because the entire thing is divided up in little patches; Drawball is only limited by your screen size.
- pattisapu 13y ago
  or, Rhizome? :-P
nichtich 13y ago
I'm surprised by the lack of penis drawing. Is there a review process or do people just suddenly decide to behave better?
- nichtich 13y ago
  I take it back. Just found four of them.
mcpie 13y ago
Really nice, though the 'my marks' and 'tags' boxes don't load for me, meking it impossible to find back my cute little efforts at office procrastination :(

52 points by szx 13y ago

Summary for those of you on text-based or js-free browsers: It's a sphere, subdivided into squares. Everyone shares the same space, so you can draw in a random square (if you login) or browse other peoples marks.

modo_ 13y ago
All I see is a black screen on Chrome...?
- mediocregopher 13y ago
  If you have ghostery it blocks stuff the site needs. This was the problem for me anyway.
  - touristtam 13y ago
    mmmm. So ghostery is reporting blocking the following: * Facebook Connect - Widgets * Google Analytics - Analytics * New Relic - Analytics * Typekit by Adobe - Widgets Are you saying the website _needs_ one of all the above to display some webgl content ? Or something else is being blocked by this extension?
    - szx 13y ago
      Will look into it. We haven't had time to test with ghostery/disconnect but the site definitely doesn't _need_ any of those things to work (except maybe it wouldn't look very nice without the fonts from typekit). It's a bug, not a feature :)
      - Kronopath 13y ago
        It's Facebook Connect that's causing the issue. Unblocking that makes it visible.
    - mediocregopher 13y ago
      All I'm saying is I disabled ghostery, refreshed, and the site worked fine for me. YMMV.
- szx 13y ago
  Perhaps a WebGL issue? Email is in my profile if you're still having a difficulty.
nogridbag 13y ago
Oh wow, I left this tab open overnight. I thought it was simply a spherical particle system demo and never gave it a second thought to attempt to click the sphere.

danso 13y ago

Just curious...what is the submitter's relation to Ai Weiwei and Olafur Eliasson? Is he/she their developer, or actually either Ai/Olafur? Either would be pretty cool :)

szx 13y ago
Creative director (and developer). I doubt the artists have time to read HN :)
- exit 13y ago
  can you describe the process of working with the artists to develop this? did they come to you with the finished idea, or a general concept, or ..? was there a lot of iteration on the idea?
  - szx 13y ago
    It was an incredible collaboration experience. We talk about this in the "making of" video that should be coming out soon (assuming we make the cut...)

jmillikin 13y ago

Seems similar to http://www.drawball.com/ http://www.drawball.com/ , except that Moon requires registration while Drawball is anonymous. Ironic, considering the artists.

Nux 13y ago
Indeed, the login thing kind of kills it.
- szx 13y ago
  We initially wanted it to be anonymous but ended up going with login for two main reasons: - Social login means sharing is only a click away, encouraging conversation and possibly more thoughtful contributions. - We wanted to give people equal chance of contributing and avoid the scenario where a handful of users (vandals?) find the site before everyone else and take over it all. That meant limiting the number of marks a person can make in a given time period - and that's easiest to do when you have users. Would love to hear your thoughts on these points. This is still a work in progress after all...

D9u 13y ago

This is really cool! I like the message. Aloha!

shalmanese 13y ago

"A Year of Drawball" is one of the most fascinating videos of collaborative social phenomena I've ever seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovG-t_JPGB4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovG-t_JPGB4 The mechanics are very similar to Moon, each individual user only had a tiny amount of ink on an extremely zoomed in canvas so large artworks would require co-operation from hundreds of people.

ssully 13y ago

Pretty neat. Reminds me a lot of curiosity by 22 cans.

tluyben2 13y ago

My browsers do have WebGL, yet the site says they don't. Chrome + Firefox on OS X. Other Webgl sites/games work.

iSnow 13y ago

This is really nice, but what happens once it hits 4Chan?

quchen 13y ago
The authors probably know about that, and I think it's part of the experiment. It's much harder to make giant drawings here though, because the entire thing is divided up in little patches; Drawball is only limited by your screen size.
pattisapu 13y ago
or, Rhizome? :-P

nichtich 13y ago

I'm surprised by the lack of penis drawing. Is there a review process or do people just suddenly decide to behave better?

nichtich 13y ago
I take it back. Just found four of them.

mcpie 13y ago

Really nice, though the 'my marks' and 'tags' boxes don't load for me, meking it impossible to find back my cute little efforts at office procrastination :(