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A seller on an open market quotes the price they want to sell for. They would rather have that much money, than the item they are selling. So it's not victimizi
by javert 13y ago
A seller on an open market quotes the price they want to sell for. They would rather have that much money, than the item they are selling. So it's not victimizing them to make the trade.
But it would be victimizing yourself to not make the trade, and instead tell the other person your inside knowledge.
And it's not dishonest, because in a market, there is no implicit assumption that the buyer doesn't know something the seller knows, on the part of either one.
This is especially obvious in the stock market. If I think a stock is a sell at $X and you think it's a buy, we trade, but clearly one person knows (or thinks they know) something that the other doesn't.
Regarding ticket scalping: People selling tickets know that that's going on. If they don't want it, they will forbid you from doing it, and if you do it, it's breach of contract and subject to legal penalties. If not, go for it. There is no reason to sacrifice your own interests so that people who didn't get in on the sale earier and can't afford scalped prices can have their interests satisfied instead. In other words, don't victimize yourself.
Regarding HFT: If you are market-making, you buy at the best price (giving someone a good deal) and sell at the lowest price (giving someone a good deal). Yes, these people could have matched against each other if they wanted to play the game of predicting which way the market is moving and waiting a few microseconds, but you can also lose at that game, so institutional investors don't want to play it. There are no victims here. I assume this kind of thing generalizes to other forms of HFT, except when people/exchanges actually do cheat (exchanges: people don't let people cheat, that is basically your sole purpose for existing).
> The moral of the story: It's difficult for me, at times, to discern when a "cool hack" becomes "criminal theft."
You only victimize someone (other than yourself) if you commit breach of contract (implicit or explicit; fraud is a form of breach of contract) or actually use physical force. Otherwise, you aren't.
tl;dr moral of the story: don't victimize anyone (yourself, or others)
- Peaker 13y ago> This is especially obvious in the stock market. If I think a stock is a sell at $X and you think it's a buy, we trade, but clearly one person knows (or thinks they know) something that the other doesn't Or maybe they just need the liquidity for some purchase they need to make?
- javert 13y agoSure, but that's beside the point. That just means they have knowledge you don't have about an even better investment. Or, they actually need to spend the money (e.g. buy groceries) and they still want to do the trade and appreciate the liquidity, no matter what knowledge you have.
- Lost_BiomedE 13y ago"If I think a stock is a sell at $X and you think it's a buy, we trade, but clearly one person knows (or thinks they know) something that the other doesn't" Theoretically, everyone who ever buys or sells could make money. They just have to be trading on different time-frames, different entry/exit strategies, and/or have different risk tolerance. I do agree with your overall point.
- javert 13y agoGood point, and thanks for letting me know you appreciate my commentary.
- sedev 13y agoThere are some places lately with online ticket sales - I'm thinking particularly of http://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/log/2013/04/26.html http://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/log/2013/04/26.html - who have begun to demand not ID, but the credit card with which the ticket was purchased. It's an interesting anti-scalping measure.
- eru 13y agoFor HFT: the whole business would be much healthier without the sub-penny rule.