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If we assume symmetric forces, we could assume that the defending force knows of the technology and has developed countermeasures. Yes, an R/C copter flying lik

If we assume symmetric forces, we could assume that the defending force knows of the technology and has developed countermeasures. Yes, an R/C copter flying like this would be difficult(-ish) [1] for a human to shoot down, but for an automated defense system, it would be trivial. They are fragile, and they simply don't move that fast compared to many other weapons. A conventional mortar operated by a well trained crew is more difficult to defend against. If you're talking about asymmetric forces, then it's a different ballgame, but I'm still not convinced that there aren't innovative defenses. I saw a game show (of sorts) some time ago where engineers competed to develop a solution to a problem given a very limited set of resources. Some of the ideas the contestants came up with blew my mind. 1: And I still don't think it would be all that hard for someone who is talented with a shotgun.

JoeAltmaier 13y ago
Ok then attack with 2 of them, or 3. Its hard for an unalerted human to defend against a fast-moving strike drone flock. Against a civilian - no hope.
- bradleyland 13y ago
  > Its hard for an unalerted human to defend against a fast-moving strike drone flock. Against a civilian - no hope. So what? It's hard for an unalerted human to defend against a fastpitch baseball to the head too. Because something is deadly doesn't make it practical. My point is that this is a nonsensical threat (suicide drones) that will not be developed because there are so many effective, and much cheaper methods of neutralizing targets. I'm not saying weaponized drones aren't a future threat. I'm saying that C4-strapped, wildly-aerobatic weaponized drones are Hollywood threats, not real world threats. The dumb alternatives (bullets, mortars, etc) are too effective and too inexpensive, and the weapons that are high-tech will use more sophisticated attack vectors (like what we're already seeing).
  - JoeAltmaier 13y ago
    Other techniques are human-attended. Remote drones are very appealing as we've seen for most of a decade now. Anybody can afford them; its anonymous; it comes from above so is hard to anticipate. Interested in other attack vectors..what did you mean by that?
    - bradleyland 13y ago
      > Other techniques are human-attended. Remote drones are very appealing as we've seen for most of a decade now. Anybody can afford them; its anonymous; it comes from above so is hard to anticipate. How is a drone swarm not human-attended in a way that is distinct from existing drone weapon systems? More specifically, what advantages does a drone swarm have over existing drone weapon systems? I still think you're missing the reason why this is a non-starter. It's not that they're ineffective (although I'd argue that they are of limited effectiveness), it's that there are too many better alternatives. > Anybody can afford them; its anonymous; it comes from above so is hard to anticipate. Russian 50mm mortars are inexpensive and readily available on the arms market. You can drag it through mud, drop it, and shoot it with small arms, and it will still work. It's anonymous, because the high trajectory allows you to fire from an enclosed position, then simply walk away when you're done; remember they're cheap and available. When you fire a mortar, it travels a long distance and comes from above, so it's hard to anticipate. Guerilla forces love mortars. They use them all the time. They get the job done. The SciFi-fantasty drone swarm is far too cumbersome and expensive for guerrilla forces, and it's too much of a blunt instrument for 1st-world powers. First-world powers don't need kamikaze drones, because they can field larger, more sophisticated drones that are mounted with more advanced sensors and traditional munitions. They can fire on many targets in succession with terribly effective weaponry like a 20mm cannon. They can fire from altitude where you don't even see them. They can fly in-theater, autonomously until the time that they're needed. They can return to base, be reloaded with cheap ammunition, then return to the theater of operation. There are some very limited scenarios where the weapon system you're proposing makes sense, but it's a tiny niche. There are too many simpler, effective options to acheive the same result. The only thing this concept has going for it is the cool factor, which doesn't count for much.
      - 13y ago
sanoli 13y ago
Also, the one in the video doing the tricks is probably optimized to be very lightweight. I guess adding any kind of useful armor would slow it down considerably.
14113 13y ago
Scrapheap challenge?
- bradleyland 13y ago
  That might have been it.

JoeAltmaier 13y ago

Ok then attack with 2 of them, or 3. Its hard for an unalerted human to defend against a fast-moving strike drone flock. Against a civilian - no hope.

bradleyland 13y ago
> Its hard for an unalerted human to defend against a fast-moving strike drone flock. Against a civilian - no hope. So what? It's hard for an unalerted human to defend against a fastpitch baseball to the head too. Because something is deadly doesn't make it practical. My point is that this is a nonsensical threat (suicide drones) that will not be developed because there are so many effective, and much cheaper methods of neutralizing targets. I'm not saying weaponized drones aren't a future threat. I'm saying that C4-strapped, wildly-aerobatic weaponized drones are Hollywood threats, not real world threats. The dumb alternatives (bullets, mortars, etc) are too effective and too inexpensive, and the weapons that are high-tech will use more sophisticated attack vectors (like what we're already seeing).
- JoeAltmaier 13y ago
  Other techniques are human-attended. Remote drones are very appealing as we've seen for most of a decade now. Anybody can afford them; its anonymous; it comes from above so is hard to anticipate. Interested in other attack vectors..what did you mean by that?
  - bradleyland 13y ago
    > Other techniques are human-attended. Remote drones are very appealing as we've seen for most of a decade now. Anybody can afford them; its anonymous; it comes from above so is hard to anticipate. How is a drone swarm not human-attended in a way that is distinct from existing drone weapon systems? More specifically, what advantages does a drone swarm have over existing drone weapon systems? I still think you're missing the reason why this is a non-starter. It's not that they're ineffective (although I'd argue that they are of limited effectiveness), it's that there are too many better alternatives. > Anybody can afford them; its anonymous; it comes from above so is hard to anticipate. Russian 50mm mortars are inexpensive and readily available on the arms market. You can drag it through mud, drop it, and shoot it with small arms, and it will still work. It's anonymous, because the high trajectory allows you to fire from an enclosed position, then simply walk away when you're done; remember they're cheap and available. When you fire a mortar, it travels a long distance and comes from above, so it's hard to anticipate. Guerilla forces love mortars. They use them all the time. They get the job done. The SciFi-fantasty drone swarm is far too cumbersome and expensive for guerrilla forces, and it's too much of a blunt instrument for 1st-world powers. First-world powers don't need kamikaze drones, because they can field larger, more sophisticated drones that are mounted with more advanced sensors and traditional munitions. They can fire on many targets in succession with terribly effective weaponry like a 20mm cannon. They can fire from altitude where you don't even see them. They can fly in-theater, autonomously until the time that they're needed. They can return to base, be reloaded with cheap ammunition, then return to the theater of operation. There are some very limited scenarios where the weapon system you're proposing makes sense, but it's a tiny niche. There are too many simpler, effective options to acheive the same result. The only thing this concept has going for it is the cool factor, which doesn't count for much.
    - 13y ago

sanoli 13y ago

Also, the one in the video doing the tricks is probably optimized to be very lightweight. I guess adding any kind of useful armor would slow it down considerably.

14113 13y ago

Scrapheap challenge?

bradleyland 13y ago
That might have been it.