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Adventures in Opera Unite

10 points by nreece 17y ago

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froo 17y ago
Sorry to be flogging a dead horse, but I just want to raise a point again. From the article: "Opera’s idea is that you should be able to share your own data easily and with whoever you want," If anyone at Opera reads this, here is a (very short) list of a few things in the browser that allow you to do just that. http://www.facebook.com http://www.facebook.com http://www.gmail.com http://www.gmail.com http://docs.google.com http://docs.google.com http://www.flickr.com http://www.flickr.com http://www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com http://www.drop.io http://www.drop.io http://www.tinypic.com http://www.tinypic.com http://www.getdropbox.com http://www.getdropbox.com http://www.box.net http://www.box.net http://www.photobucket.com http://www.photobucket.com http://www.vimeo.com http://www.vimeo.com http://www.rapidshare.com http://www.rapidshare.com http://www.megaupload.com http://www.megaupload.com http://www.me.com http://www.me.com etc etc etc... This is what is called reinventing the wheel. All Opera has managed to figure out is how people can share their data SLOWLY and with less availability (unless you leave your computer connected 24x7) than these pre-existing services. Opera FAIL.
- GvS 17y ago
  Most of those sites filter what you upload, doesn't allow some content and limit your possibilities. I often see messages like: "Wait 60 seconds before...", "This video is not available in your country", "Your account has been banned because we say so". You are also limited by some laws that normaly don't apply to you, because service is located in other country. You often have to deal with popups and ugly banners. Speed might be the only problem, but sometimes freedom is worth it.
  - froo 17y ago
    Let me address some of your problems. "Most of those sites filter what you upload, doesn't allow some content and limit your possibilities." Yes, because most of those sites are content specific (eg, youtube is for videos, not documents) That being said, there are sites like Rapidshare which don't. I often see messages like: "Wait 60 seconds before..." Ok, let's assume you mean rapidshare. Well, let's do a little analysis of that shall we. I have the fastest home connection available in my country - 24 mbit adsl. My max download speeds are around 2mb/s down and 70kb/sec up. So, assuming I am downloading a 50mb file from a friend and he has a similar connection to mine, it would take about 11 minutes to download directly from him, or 1.5 minutes to download from rapidshare (which includes the 60 second wait time).... no contest. When you're sharing files with multiple people, this becomes more apparent which is the superior solution. "This video is not available in your country" Well I live in Australia, we have some of the most restrictive distribution deals when it comes to media content and I've only ever seen those kinds of messages from places like the TV networks and Hulu. I don't think this really applies to peer content, so the point is moot. "Your account has been banned because we say so". If you're sharing illegal content or content that is of a questionable nature, then of course you're going to get banned. Either way, the point still stands about the speeds given a lot of this content would be video, which doesn't really scale for home connections. "You are also limited by some laws that normaly don't apply to you, because service is located in other country." You would also be limited by the exact same laws if someone is downloading from your computer who lives in another country. "You often have to deal with popups" None of the sites I linked above showed me a popup when I visited them to make sure all the links work.... "and ugly banners." So far, the only valid point you've made.... and that is easily avoidable with adblockers. "Speed might be the only problem" Well, it's a pretty big problem if you want to share on any kind of scale. "but sometimes freedom is worth it." Freedom how? Unless you are doing some seriously shady shit, most of the above services won't even blink an eyelid at what you're doing.
    - vorador 17y ago
      Freedom how? Unless you are doing some seriously shady shit, most of the above services won't even blink an eyelid at what you're doing. I know that facebook has banned photos related to breastfeeding. Your arguments are practical but it's an ethical problem. Some people care about their freedom (for instance by only using free software) and don't want to have their personal data freely available on the internet.
delirium 17y ago
Another possible way this can come to use would be an alternative to Google Gears, where in users would be able to do offline web naviagation, provided there is a sync API and a datastore available in the browser itself

10 points by nreece 17y ago

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froo 17y ago

Sorry to be flogging a dead horse, but I just want to raise a point again. From the article: "Opera’s idea is that you should be able to share your own data easily and with whoever you want," If anyone at Opera reads this, here is a (very short) list of a few things in the browser that allow you to do just that. http://www.facebook.com http://www.facebook.com http://www.gmail.com http://www.gmail.com http://docs.google.com http://docs.google.com http://www.flickr.com http://www.flickr.com http://www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com http://www.drop.io http://www.drop.io http://www.tinypic.com http://www.tinypic.com http://www.getdropbox.com http://www.getdropbox.com http://www.box.net http://www.box.net http://www.photobucket.com http://www.photobucket.com http://www.vimeo.com http://www.vimeo.com http://www.rapidshare.com http://www.rapidshare.com http://www.megaupload.com http://www.megaupload.com http://www.me.com http://www.me.com etc etc etc... This is what is called reinventing the wheel. All Opera has managed to figure out is how people can share their data SLOWLY and with less availability (unless you leave your computer connected 24x7) than these pre-existing services. Opera FAIL.

GvS 17y ago
Most of those sites filter what you upload, doesn't allow some content and limit your possibilities. I often see messages like: "Wait 60 seconds before...", "This video is not available in your country", "Your account has been banned because we say so". You are also limited by some laws that normaly don't apply to you, because service is located in other country. You often have to deal with popups and ugly banners. Speed might be the only problem, but sometimes freedom is worth it.
- froo 17y ago
  Let me address some of your problems. "Most of those sites filter what you upload, doesn't allow some content and limit your possibilities." Yes, because most of those sites are content specific (eg, youtube is for videos, not documents) That being said, there are sites like Rapidshare which don't. I often see messages like: "Wait 60 seconds before..." Ok, let's assume you mean rapidshare. Well, let's do a little analysis of that shall we. I have the fastest home connection available in my country - 24 mbit adsl. My max download speeds are around 2mb/s down and 70kb/sec up. So, assuming I am downloading a 50mb file from a friend and he has a similar connection to mine, it would take about 11 minutes to download directly from him, or 1.5 minutes to download from rapidshare (which includes the 60 second wait time).... no contest. When you're sharing files with multiple people, this becomes more apparent which is the superior solution. "This video is not available in your country" Well I live in Australia, we have some of the most restrictive distribution deals when it comes to media content and I've only ever seen those kinds of messages from places like the TV networks and Hulu. I don't think this really applies to peer content, so the point is moot. "Your account has been banned because we say so". If you're sharing illegal content or content that is of a questionable nature, then of course you're going to get banned. Either way, the point still stands about the speeds given a lot of this content would be video, which doesn't really scale for home connections. "You are also limited by some laws that normaly don't apply to you, because service is located in other country." You would also be limited by the exact same laws if someone is downloading from your computer who lives in another country. "You often have to deal with popups" None of the sites I linked above showed me a popup when I visited them to make sure all the links work.... "and ugly banners." So far, the only valid point you've made.... and that is easily avoidable with adblockers. "Speed might be the only problem" Well, it's a pretty big problem if you want to share on any kind of scale. "but sometimes freedom is worth it." Freedom how? Unless you are doing some seriously shady shit, most of the above services won't even blink an eyelid at what you're doing.
  - vorador 17y ago
    Freedom how? Unless you are doing some seriously shady shit, most of the above services won't even blink an eyelid at what you're doing. I know that facebook has banned photos related to breastfeeding. Your arguments are practical but it's an ethical problem. Some people care about their freedom (for instance by only using free software) and don't want to have their personal data freely available on the internet.

delirium 17y ago

Another possible way this can come to use would be an alternative to Google Gears, where in users would be able to do offline web naviagation, provided there is a sync API and a datastore available in the browser itself