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My understanding was that it hasn't to do with phones being turned on per se, but rather one's attention at the moment the flight is the riskiest: at take off a

by steeve 13y ago

My understanding was that it hasn't to do with phones being turned on per se, but rather one's attention at the moment the flight is the riskiest: at take off and landing. The rationale was that when you're playing on your device, you're paying less attention to the crew and what's around you, which can be problematic in case something bad happens and you need to react. EDIT: I'm just the messenger, guys ;)

arethuza 13y ago
I quite often get early morning flights (e.g. I got a 05:50 on Monday) - usually by the time the flight takes off I am already sleeping. Nobody has every tried to wake me up so that I pay attention to take off or landing.
Sambdala 13y ago
My understanding is that's the common ex post rationalization that arose to try to come up with a plausible-sounding reason for this idiotic rule.
- JonnieCache 13y ago
  My favourite theory was that cellphones above the clouds could connect to too many cell towers at once, making triangulating your location impossible. Conveniently forgetting that they have a live update of your exact position from NORAD/FAA/etc...
  - Zigurd 13y ago
    The "too many handovers too fast" thing might have been a problem in the '80s, and I have never heard of a documented case of that.
    - mikeash 13y ago
      My understanding is that the problem isn't with the speed of the handovers, but rather with the fact that the horizon is a major block to radio signals, and the horizon is much farther away when you're at altitude. Older networks were designed around the fairly reasonable assumption that a cell phone would only ever be able to talk to adjacent cells, because anything farther away would be over the horizon. So you might be able to talk to both A and B at the same time, but you couldn't talk to C without first losing contact with A. Raise the phone a few thousand feet in the air and this assumption goes out the window, confusing the network. There's an amusing story of a pilot who called up his family to let them know he was almost home and ended up getting billed for the call (at expensive 80s rates) a bunch of times because several different towers all thought they were running the call. There's certainly no problem today, anyway.
      - Zigurd 13y ago
        > Older networks were designed around the fairly reasonable assumption that a cell phone would only ever be able to talk to adjacent cells, because anything farther away would be over the horizon That can't possibly be true. Spectrum re-use in distant sites could in theory have some effect on the call but differences in signal strength would make significant effects unlikely. Also, that story about the pilot must also be apocryphal. A handover is a handover, and there is only one "winning" decision. Not to mention that CDRs don't work that way. Lots of civil aviation pilots use mobile devices in the air without problems for the user or network.
        mikeash 13y ago
        You may be right about the story, but I don't really see the obstacle to it happening. If you initiate a call in the air, you could easily not be able to communicate with the cell directly below (since they don't radiate much signal upwards) while being able to talk to two that are adjacent to it. Since those two cells would never have a reason to communicate in normal operations, confusion ensues. I know that lots of pilots use mobile devices now, but we're talking ~30 years ago.
  - teraflop 13y ago
    Well, I always heard that the problem was rapid handoffs between towers causing a lot of extra load on both the cell network and the phone itself. I can tell you anecdotally that on a few of occasions I haven't put my phone in airplane mode during a flight, and it seems to drain the battery muck more quickly than normal.
rlpb 13y ago
On the other hand, you're permitted to be absorbed in a book or newspaper.
- agilebyte 13y ago
  Or your friendly in-flight magazine showing a special selection of...
masklinn 13y ago
Books don't have to be "turned off" during takeoff and landing. You don't have to wake up either if you're sleeping.
wepple 13y ago
this seems valid to me - they put just as much emphasis on ensuring your window shade is up (for post-crash hazard identification) to electronics being switched off. It's likely due to attentiveness should you need to evac
- saraid216 13y ago
  AFAICT, they tell you to put the window shade up during landing in order to wake people up and thus to get out of the seat and off the plane as soon as possible. I've never had them ask to open window shades at night (possibly because they're not closed). Which is perfectly fine with me.

by steeve 13y ago

arethuza 13y ago

I quite often get early morning flights (e.g. I got a 05:50 on Monday) - usually by the time the flight takes off I am already sleeping. Nobody has every tried to wake me up so that I pay attention to take off or landing.

Sambdala 13y ago

My understanding is that's the common ex post rationalization that arose to try to come up with a plausible-sounding reason for this idiotic rule.

JonnieCache 13y ago
My favourite theory was that cellphones above the clouds could connect to too many cell towers at once, making triangulating your location impossible. Conveniently forgetting that they have a live update of your exact position from NORAD/FAA/etc...
- Zigurd 13y ago
  The "too many handovers too fast" thing might have been a problem in the '80s, and I have never heard of a documented case of that.
  - mikeash 13y ago
    My understanding is that the problem isn't with the speed of the handovers, but rather with the fact that the horizon is a major block to radio signals, and the horizon is much farther away when you're at altitude. Older networks were designed around the fairly reasonable assumption that a cell phone would only ever be able to talk to adjacent cells, because anything farther away would be over the horizon. So you might be able to talk to both A and B at the same time, but you couldn't talk to C without first losing contact with A. Raise the phone a few thousand feet in the air and this assumption goes out the window, confusing the network. There's an amusing story of a pilot who called up his family to let them know he was almost home and ended up getting billed for the call (at expensive 80s rates) a bunch of times because several different towers all thought they were running the call. There's certainly no problem today, anyway.
    - Zigurd 13y ago
      > Older networks were designed around the fairly reasonable assumption that a cell phone would only ever be able to talk to adjacent cells, because anything farther away would be over the horizon That can't possibly be true. Spectrum re-use in distant sites could in theory have some effect on the call but differences in signal strength would make significant effects unlikely. Also, that story about the pilot must also be apocryphal. A handover is a handover, and there is only one "winning" decision. Not to mention that CDRs don't work that way. Lots of civil aviation pilots use mobile devices in the air without problems for the user or network.
      - mikeash 13y ago
        You may be right about the story, but I don't really see the obstacle to it happening. If you initiate a call in the air, you could easily not be able to communicate with the cell directly below (since they don't radiate much signal upwards) while being able to talk to two that are adjacent to it. Since those two cells would never have a reason to communicate in normal operations, confusion ensues. I know that lots of pilots use mobile devices now, but we're talking ~30 years ago.
- teraflop 13y ago
  Well, I always heard that the problem was rapid handoffs between towers causing a lot of extra load on both the cell network and the phone itself. I can tell you anecdotally that on a few of occasions I haven't put my phone in airplane mode during a flight, and it seems to drain the battery muck more quickly than normal.

rlpb 13y ago

On the other hand, you're permitted to be absorbed in a book or newspaper.

agilebyte 13y ago
Or your friendly in-flight magazine showing a special selection of...

masklinn 13y ago

Books don't have to be "turned off" during takeoff and landing. You don't have to wake up either if you're sleeping.

wepple 13y ago

this seems valid to me - they put just as much emphasis on ensuring your window shade is up (for post-crash hazard identification) to electronics being switched off. It's likely due to attentiveness should you need to evac

saraid216 13y ago
AFAICT, they tell you to put the window shade up during landing in order to wake people up and thus to get out of the seat and off the plane as soon as possible. I've never had them ask to open window shades at night (possibly because they're not closed). Which is perfectly fine with me.