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I can see Dart being big in enterprise, although with no support for IE7 and IE8 this could be an issue...

• pjmlp 13y ago
  Not until there is a support across browsers and a must have framework that can only be used from Dart. I still don't see any enterprise requests for CoffeScript, TypeScript or any other language that targets JavaScript. When you work in teams, everyone across the company that needs to touch the source code needs to know the respective technologies.
  • robmcm 13y ago
    There is cross support in the form of Dart2JS although that's IE9+ That is true, but then I'm not sure they offer as much as Dart does. (Plus I bet some MS shops use TypeScript). You would think, but how many people developing Objective C know C well, it's more true in the beginning but as you go on the need to know about the target runtime diminishes. Do you know much about the JavaScript VM in the browser and how that compiles to C?
    • pjmlp 13y ago
      The point is what language the enterprise cogs need to learn and the supported browsers. > Do you know much about the JavaScript VM in the browser and how that compiles to C? Of course, if you want to write JIT friendly code you need to know the magic JavaScript incantation code patterns. There is a reason why all browser vendors have developer sessions on their conferences about those patterns.
      • robmcm 13y ago
        What about C to assembler?
        • pjmlp 13y ago
          Same thing. That is what -S in gcc is for. Other compilers offer similar flags. And before you ask, Assembly manuals explain how many cycles an opcode takes and what are the expected side effects on the chipsets.
          • robmcm 13y ago
            The relevance of that is pretty insignificant unless you are building a framework or compiler. That's the point of abstraction.
            • pjmlp 13y ago
              Or if you don't care about performance.
  • asb 13y ago
    > I still don't see any enterprise requests for CoffeScript, TypeScript or any other language that targets JavaScript. GWT seems to have been widely used.
    • pjmlp 13y ago
      I meant browser side. Plus GWT uses Java, a widely supported enterprise language.
      • robmcm 13y ago
        GWT is browser side
        • pjmlp 13y ago
          Last time I used it (2011) the JavaScript was generated on the server side by a servlet. Has it changed?
          • robmcm 13y ago
            The code runs client side.
            • pjmlp 13y ago
              Of course it runs on the client. Where else would the generated JavaScript from the Java annotations run?
• threeseed 13y ago
  Have you even worked in the enterprise ? Because I have and continue to for the last 20 years and NOBODY is interested in a repeat of the IE6 fiasco.
  • taude 13y ago
    Ha, I know a lot of big enterprise with Adobe Flash/Flex lockin, though that's slowly going away...
    • robmcm 13y ago
      Yup that's where we are now, Flex is the only technology that can target IE7 and give us what we need. We still have to support that far back, which has issues with a lot of frameworks and in this case Dart. I don't think enterprise IT departments will ever subscribe to the always update nature of Chrome 1, so it just means more and more IE6 situations down the line. 1 We actually have an app that IT install that prevents you installing Chrome :p
• taude 13y ago
  I don't know...I work a lot in big enterprise stuff, and they've come around. One product we have that most banks use only runs in IE9+. That's really the min level now (or in the near future since our new version of the app isn't due until Feb)
  • robmcm 13y ago
    I work on an FX trading application which has IE7 in the compatibility list :( All other banks with similar apps have the same targets as far as I know. (HSBC, JPM, MS, RBS, Barclays etc)
• josteink 13y ago
  > I can see Dart being big in enterprise, although with no support for IE7 and IE8 this could be an issue... Actually it's not supported in any standards-compliant browser and only available in Google Chrome. That makes it a bit of a no-no.
  • spankalee 13y ago
    Dart runs in IE9 and up, Firefox, Opera, Safari, and Chome.