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Cool! NSA's industrial espionage is so much easier for them to perform when you store your company data directly on American servers. http://www.theguardian.co

• ams6110 13y ago
  Likely easier for them to penetrate a typical corporate network than Amazon's
  • JTon 13y ago
    Unless Amazon is secretly in bed with them as well
    • fidotron 13y ago
      Amazon are building the CIA a cloud, so they'll at least be talking.
  • toomuchtodo 13y ago
    CIA contracts don't come cheap.
• micampe 13y ago
  Dear HN, can we please reduce the frequency of the same inane NSA wits in every single discussion? If there are new informations or interesting opinions I’m glad to read them, but repeating ”NSA! ah-ah!” in every single article doesn’t add anything or help anyone. Awareness is already very good in these quarters, I think any HN user knows the situation and has formed an opinion about whether to assume that every communication is tapped or how much encryption is sufficient for their case. Thank you.
  • workhere-io 13y ago
    I actually think that the fact that NSA's spying isn't just used for anti-terrorism purposes but also for industrial espionage is news to some people - even on HN. And it's extremely relevant to decision makers who are considering Amazon WorkSpaces.
    • krschultz 13y ago
      Posting about it on HN isn't going to do anything. Have you called your congressman? Your senator? Your president? If you can't answer yes to all 3, take 5 minutes to do that instead of posting another comment on HN.
      • workhere-io 13y ago
        I'm not American. And awareness is first step.
      • bigiain 13y ago
        I'm also not American - and I figure it's worth pointing out the risks and responses from a non-US person's point of view to the HN crowd. As I see things, the only possible way that the NSA's misuse of their powers (specifically regarding non-US persons) is likely to get curbed is when companies realise there's significant revenue implications. I have _zero_ voice in US intelligence gathering policy. I _do_ though, have the ear of people buying services from US companies who _do_ have a voice in forming/changing those policies. Google's position at the top of the web search food chain, and the amazing advertising business they've built on top of it, might not be enough to justify the risks involved in exposing all that data to the NSA. Microsoft/Yahoo/Google's enourmous slice of the webmail market is also a dubious value proposition if you evaluate the risks in a certain light. Amazon's dominance of the "cloud" market isn't unassailable if you take legal jurisdiction and corporate ownership into account. Salesforce becomes suspect as well for non-US users (both as a CRM and their entire force.com platform). Those are my most likely allies in lobbying for non-US-citizen's basic human rights online. If Google, Microsoft, Apple, Yahoo, Amazon, PayPal/eBay, Facebook et al. don't start telling your government that they're losing significant revenue because of the behaviour of US intelligence gathering services, then "outsiders" like me are inevitably going to have to find alternative jurisdiction to buy those services (and to create/use replacement services with robust modern anti-nation-state-snooping levels of crypto baked in from the start. Who wants to bet against Silent Circle's Darkmail becoming a serious SMTP replacement because the Brazilian or Equadorian or German or Chinese government mandates it's use nationally - even if it's only done as a political point-scoring "stunt", something like that could be a _major_ win for global internet privacy.)
• r0m4n0 13y ago
  I was involved in an investigation and Amazon was the only company involved that downright said "our lawyers reviewed your claims and your warrant is too vague and is unsupported." Goes to show that judges sign anything these days; it's important to have a company that has your back. Comcast gave me up in a second.