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Visual Studio 2013 Launches With New Online Tools, Browser-Based Code Editor
- twiceaday 13y agoI would also like to comment on this topic while pimping my company.
- gerry_shaw 13y agoYou're doing it wrong.
- presidentender 13y agoHe (twiceaday YC14) is following these comments closely. He's using his literacy to enable real-time text-concept-memory translations, with the ability to verbally communicate the contents later, or simply re-type them if the ideas are relevant to later comment threads.
- pingswept 13y agoThink of it as "machine learning for humans."
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- daigoba66 13y agoOh it's there: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2013/11/13/visual-studio-2013-launch-announcing-visual-studio-online.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2013/11/13/visual-.... The editor is called “Monaco”.
- btipling 13y agoVery nice, we (Floobits YC S13) are also planning to integrate our web based editor with Visual Studio, with real time collaboration and the ability to connect to other types of native editors. Our editor is based on the awesome ace editor and comes with unparalleled collaboration tools including webrtc video chat (and Google Hangout support), terminal sharing (flootty), automatic deployment tools (floomatic) and the ability to connect with your native editor with our editor plugins for Sublime Text, emacs and vim (intellij/webstorm/pycharm, etc in the works!). Git integration is also in the works.
- romanovcode 13y ago>Visual Studio Online - a set of development services running on Windows Azure that focus on agile team collaboration, Application Lifecycle Management and support for Windows Azure. I don't see any online code editor here.
- woutervdb 13y agoAm I the only one to notice this[1]? Looks pretty okay aside from that. [1] http://uploads.woutervdb.com/files/5283a1c42f8bc.png http://uploads.woutervdb.com/files/5283a1c42f8bc.png
- orf 13y agoFire. Everyone.
- YeahKIA 13y agoVery convenient for hacking on the go when you are usually ng something like surface or iPad.
- Avalaxy 13y agoAh, that's actually a great idea. Going to try it on my Surface RT :) It would be awesome if I could do some simple hacking on my tablet for those occasions I have to wait or when I'm in an airplane or something :)
- phillips1012 13y agoIMO you can't really "hack" with the .net family of programming languages. (hack as in tweak/mess around with your computer)
- tyler-codenvy 13y agoThe Monaco project form Visual Studio is exciting. We (Codenvy) have tracked nearly 50 web-based editors that have emerged in the past 2 years. A few of them have transitioned into full businesses with venture backing. Most of them have remained side projects or experiments. With Microsoft's project related to Monaco and their VP's statement in the TechCrunch article that this style of development is where the future is vectoring towards, this is the first major platform vendor that has indicated that they see these sorts of cloud environments as not only as supplemental to core development, but potentially displacements. Of course, there are years of engineering ahead before cloud systems can offer true displacement, but some of the early adoption scenarios are getting well defined. We attempted to capture the market size and early adoption drivers of cloud browsers in this quora post. http://www.quora.com/What-is-the-market-size-of-cloud-IDEs-and-what-are-the-possible-business-models/answer/Tyler-Jewell?__snids__=229426941&__nsrc__=2 http://www.quora.com/What-is-the-market-size-of-cloud-IDEs-a...
- fpp 13y agogreat overview at quora.com are you estimating the market for such (Cloud-IDE) tools being currently $465M or did I misunderstood that - interesting when now the first key (legacy) development IDE providers (MS - VS) are moving towards that approach as well.
- tyler-codenvy 13y agoThe size of the market in monetary measures depends upon how you define the market itself. If your definition are companies that provide Web-based editors or specifically IDEs with functionality specifically around edit / build / run / deploy, the market is very small today. But if you look at the broader cloud development market that includes code hosting, test, and some other functions that can sometimes be associated with IDEs, then that market is $465M and it's growing rather fast.
- j_s 13y agoIs there a list of web-based editors beyond http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_JavaScript-based_source_code_editors http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_JavaScript-based_... ?
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- cipherzero 13y agoVisual Studio Online is pretty cool! I've been using the git repository hosting for a while now and I am loving it. Free for up to five members and it's a private repo. Cool to see them continue to add more to it.
- cipherzero 13y agoWow, I am blown away. It's worth watching their list of features video. http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/Visual-Studio-Online-Monaco/Navigating-the-environment http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/Visual-Studio-Online-Monaco/...
- donbronson 13y agoDoes it only work in IE?
- csinco 13y agoI don't think so. I'm using it in Chrome and it works perfectly fine. :)
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- nnq 13y agoYou mean it works fine in NewIE, right? :) (That's how most people I know that do front-end work have come to call Chrome and webkits in general as there are so many chrome/webkit specific bugs and "webkit-ish standard extensions" that it feels like debugging for IE back in the day. And nowadays Firefox and IE(10+) actually have more sane behaviors and more standard compliance than Chrome. Yeah, the Chrome devs bring new features to the people faster than anyone else, but they also introduce a shitload of specific bugs that are hard to fix because just reproducing them well enough to report them is a huge pain.)
- csinco 13y agoYes, it works fine in the NewIE as well. I've tested it in Chrome, FF, Safari, IE9+. All looks good so far.
- jmacd 13y agoIt's worth pointing out that they have Git support built in as well.
- silverbax88 13y agoWish it had Mercurial support, but at least it has TFS.
- dancecodes 13y agoI would test it in my firefox at linux box.
- swalsh 13y agoSpeculation here: I wonder if Microsoft sees the fleeting profitability in owning the desktop environment (more competition, shrinking market, higher expectations). So they're trying to apply the same concepts that really helped propel windows as a popular platform (easy to develop for) to their cloud platform (azure) in an attempt to coax their existing user base to start adopting it over other cloud platforms (like google apps) As a windows developer myself, I see this as a great strategy. I've been questioning staying with C# and windows for a few years now... it started with buying a Mac (while running Parallels) and learning several new languages. But I still LIKE C#. So it might be a great transition plan.
- lmkg 13y agoI don't think Microsoft yet sees the demise of desktop as a given, but they are hedging their bets against it. Web, mobile, cloud, &c. are all platforms that are threatening desktop. Microsoft is trying to push into them, not to abandon desktop, but to make sure that they have a foothold regardless of which platform(s) end up dominant in the future. As late entrants into most of these platforms, their strategy is to leverage their existing technical capital as much as possible. So, we're seeing cloud versions of Outlook, Office, and now Visual Studio. I don't think they're trying to move people away from desktop (yet), but they are making their company's fate less tightly bound to desktop.
- at-fates-hands 13y agoI'm wondering if a lot of moving their products to the cloud is to limit or try to stop pirating of their software. Adobe has been successful thus far with their new Creative Cloud platform.
- InTheSwiss 13y agoFor anyone who downloaded (but has not installed) a VS2013 ISO from MSDN before November 8th might want to download again as they were updated on the 8th. Details on the update is available at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2890846/en-us http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2890846/en-us
- riyadparvez 13y agoI like VS. It's a great product. But why on earth Microsoft have to have a finger in every pie? Can't they just focus on some area and make some great products instead of trying to have monopoly in every little area and forcing or bullying everyone to user their product. Just think about it, MS is most earning software company. But is there any field where MS is pioneer or revolutionize something? MS has monopoly in desktop but that's not for their quality of product, they just got lucky and IBM did some stupid mistakes. Windows is not a bad OS. But as the market leading OS, it's really mediocre. Even now Windows don't have basic feature like virtual desktops, a decent command shell, a good searching tool like "finder" in OS X.
- HNLogInsSuckAss 13y agoVS was a great product 20 years ago. Today it's looking like a mess. Does 2013 fix any of this crap: http://goldmanosi.blogspot.com/2012/05/visual-studio-is-it-getting-worse-as.html http://goldmanosi.blogspot.com/2012/05/visual-studio-is-it-g... You called Finder a good searching tool? Are you kidding? Finder is an unmitigated piece of shit, with search being one of its most defective facets. How is it a good searching tool when it gives you a list of hits but doesn't show WHERE they are? There isn't even an OPTION to add "path" to the column headers in the search results. The only option is to click on every hit, one at a time, and peer at the status bar at the bottom of the screen to see where it is. Also, Finder doesn't start searches in the selected folder. That folder isn't even offered as an option, either. You have to create a special search "destination", which is then permanent until you clean it up later. Not to mention Finder's other defects, like not sorting with FOLDERS AT THE TOP. And not creating a subfolder when you say "new folder" with another one selected. Then there's the little things, like Finder showing "disclosure triangles" on folders that don't have anything in them. Windows Explorer doesn't, which tells you at a glance when a folder's empty. At least it did, until Vista, when Microsoft inexplicably decided to hide all of the expand/collapse controls next to folders unless you happen to roll the cursor through the left pane.
- fekberg 13y ago> Even now Windows don't have basic feature like.. Hyper-V? Powershell? Search has been in Windows since forever.
- ternaryoperator 13y agoFor a review of what's new in the IDE (not the VS Online portion): http://www.drdobbs.com/240163830 http://www.drdobbs.com/240163830
- bdavisx 13y agoWithout ReSharper, I find Visual Studio code editing to be a very unpleasant experience. I'm guessing the online editing will be even worse.
- anotherbadlogin 13y agoEspecially if they didn't fix any of these ridiculous defects: http://goldmanosi.blogspot.com/2012/05/visual-studio-is-it-getting-worse-as.html http://goldmanosi.blogspot.com/2012/05/visual-studio-is-it-g...
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- nkg 13y agoForgive me for asking that $0.02 question : Can I create Xbox One apps with Visual studio ?
- kevingadd 13y agoTraditionally the console SDKs are 'Visual Studio plus proprietary magic', so you'll need to get registered as a developer either way. But you'll almost certainly be using Visual Studio.
- eps 13y agoIn other news - TechCrunch is now friends with Microsoft.
- poissonpie 13y agoOkay - this actually looks very good. Almost like Sublime Text in the browser!