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This revelation proves Wikileaks is stil alive and relevant. I hope they see a renewed jolt of donations and interest. This is the organization of heroes that h
by pvnick 13y ago
This revelation proves Wikileaks is stil alive and relevant. I hope they see a renewed jolt of donations and interest. This is the organization of heroes that helped get Snowden to safety.
Also, I'm getting sick and tired of our "leaders" attempting to legislate free speech and intellectual property in secret through anti-democratic means. It's disgusting.
Edit: second paragraph
- ihsw 13y agoThe problem with these kinds of things is that the document might be watermarked to obviate who leaked it. It follows the same vein as "spying on allies" which -- until recently -- was tin-foil-hat conspiracy territory. The political fallout will not be minimal, and it will not be kept secret.
- twoodfin 13y agoIt follows the same vein as "spying on allies" which -- until recently -- was tin-foil-hat conspiracy territory. Not at all. Nations have been spying on their allies since there have been nations and spies. Anyone "shocked" by those revelations is either putting on a show or rather naive.
- ihsw 13y agoYou are correct, perhaps spying on allies was a poor choice of word. Evaluating allies would probably fit better.
- mpyne 13y agoI doubt it. We had plans about how to invade Canada prior to WWII. People freaked out when they first heard about that, but it had nothing to do with Canada in particular, and everything to do with the Department of War having plans for effectively everybody that had any major military capability that could theoretically harm the U.S., just like Batman has plans to defeat every other superhero in the Justice League (just in case...). Until the days of unilateral world government (when nations won't have to act in their own best interest), allies should evaluate each other, at least at a high level. That doesn't have to mean sinister things though. Just ask Batman.
- CWuestefeld 13y agoSorry to be pedantic here, but I don't think that "obviate" is at all what you meant here. Judging from the context, it seems you believe the definition is "to make obvious", but it actually has nothing to do with that.
- ars 13y ago> spying on allies" which -- until recently -- was tin-foil-hat conspiracy territory. What? Nations have been spying on each other, including allies, since the invention of spying. > The political fallout will not be minimal The fallout will be so minimal as to be non-existent. Nations already know allies spy on them, it's not in any way surprising. It also doesn't really bother them. They have to protect against all spying, if an ally can, so can an enemy. So finding out an ally spied really just means an enemy did too - so it's actually useful information.
- ihsw 13y agoI'm not talking about fallout from spying, but from finger-pointing. The US will find out who leaked the document, and they will act accordingly.
- gasull 13y agoThe Collateral Murder video was most likely watermarked. I think the low quality of the video is because the quality had to be degraded so the watermarks can't be seen/scanned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0
- chrislipa 13y agoDo you have a reference for this hypothesis?
- sliverstorm 13y agoThe contention over Wikileaks has never been about relevancy, but their methods, e.g. editorializing when they claim to merely be leaking.