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I'll tell you who. Everyone should decide together. Like mature adults with a brain. This is how society is and always has worked. Parents decide how to raise

I'll tell you who. Everyone should decide together. Like mature adults with a brain. This is how society is and always has worked. Parents decide how to raise their kids. Bosses decide how their employees will act. Elected leaders decide on what norms the country will have. You are promoting a kind of ridiculous individualism that is completely disconnected from reality. No one is an island. We all exist in a community and a society and the rules of our society are determined--ideally--through mutual discussion, thinking, negotiation, agreement. "Who should decide for someone else?" WTF are you talking about? Society should decide social issues. That's who.

grandalf 13y ago
Ironically you describe mutual discussion, thinking, negotiation and agreement and then proceed to list some exact opposites.
- AkimChristine 13y ago
  You think bosses just spring up out of the ground? Or political leaders? Or parents? All of these authorities are created by society through social processes and their behaviour is determined by social processes. Parents are given authorities XYZ based on social consensus, but denied authority to e.g. abuse their kids. Bosses are given authorities ABC but denied other authorities and so on. These roles are all socially defined and came about through social processes. "Who should decide?" The appropriate authorities that have been selected by social processes to have that authority. Your question is so fucking dumb because it pretends to be oblivious to the fact that legitimate authorities are put into power precisely because the community has delegated the job of deciding to them. Your question amounts to saying "It's wrong that the legitimate authorities who have been elected, selected, chosen to decide questions within their sphere are making decisions within their sphere! What right do those legitimate community chosen leaders have to make decisions on behalf of the community!?" Fucking idiot. The community leaders have the legitimate authority to make the community decisions precisely because the entire purpose of their office, and the reason they were put in that office, is so that they would and could make those decisions. You're begging the question. "Who should decide?" is a retarded libertarian talking point that just emphasizes how little you understand co-operation and the entire fucking purpose of government. "Who should decide?" The fucking GOVERNMENT. THAT IS WHY THEY EXIST. TO BE THE ONES WHO DECIDE.
  - grandalf 13y ago
    It appears you share the views and reasoning of Edmund Burke, father of Conservatism.
    - AkimChristine 13y ago
      Wow, really? Literally everyone except anarchists and libertarians agrees with my above view. Everyone with the slightest amount of understanding of how the human species creates and perpetuates community and culture shares my view. That includes Communists, Nazis, Liberal Democrats, Whigs, Tories, The Pope, Queen Elizabeth II, Gandhi, Vladimir Putin, Plato, John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, Voltaire, Kim Jong-Un. Literally everyone of any consequence in all of human history understands that the entire purpose of government is to be the body that makes decisions on behalf of the community. It's only adolescent-headed libertarians and anarchists that don't understand this. Privileged idiots out of touch with reality.
grandalf 13y ago
Not sure if you're trolling or not. Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but your comments have been killed and now I can't reply to them.
- GudaYakub 13y ago
  I'm not trolling I'm just ranting. You're not going to change my mind--I've already assumed that you're an uneducated computer nerd with no understanding at all of people or society. I just come here to rant at libertarians. I make a new account every time because if you swear or sound "uncivil" some of the moderators will blackball you.
  - grandalf 13y ago
    How would you define uneducated? Do you consider yourself educated? Why do you consider yourself someone who understands people? Also, why do you use profanity in your HN comments. Profanity can certainly add some rhetorical impact at times, but your use of it comes off a bit more like trolling than rhetoric.
    - GudaYakub 13y ago
      I don't give a shit what computer janitors think about my language. I fucking swear because I fucking swear. Real people swear. Swearing is an excellent way to express your distaste. I'm educated because, factually, I am fucking educated. Computer nerds--even the ones with computer science degrees who are fewer and fewer these days--always receive extremely narrow technical educations and are complete idiots when it comes to anything that isn't code. This is why they are libertarians. Libertarianism is the dumbest mass movement since puritanism. It's utterly bankrupt of culture and can only exist in the minds of people who severely overestimate their knowledge. I come here to vent my hatred for libertarians. There are lots of libertarians here. They think the best way to solve major social issues is literally to do nothing and have no government, no community, no society. It's the dumbest ideology ever but it's very well funded by Koch, Thiel, etc. The Tea Party and austerity politics are the achievements of libertarians. In my perfect world libertarian billionaires would be convicted of crimes against humanity and sentenced to death.

grandalf 13y ago

Ironically you describe mutual discussion, thinking, negotiation and agreement and then proceed to list some exact opposites.

AkimChristine 13y ago
You think bosses just spring up out of the ground? Or political leaders? Or parents? All of these authorities are created by society through social processes and their behaviour is determined by social processes. Parents are given authorities XYZ based on social consensus, but denied authority to e.g. abuse their kids. Bosses are given authorities ABC but denied other authorities and so on. These roles are all socially defined and came about through social processes. "Who should decide?" The appropriate authorities that have been selected by social processes to have that authority. Your question is so fucking dumb because it pretends to be oblivious to the fact that legitimate authorities are put into power precisely because the community has delegated the job of deciding to them. Your question amounts to saying "It's wrong that the legitimate authorities who have been elected, selected, chosen to decide questions within their sphere are making decisions within their sphere! What right do those legitimate community chosen leaders have to make decisions on behalf of the community!?" Fucking idiot. The community leaders have the legitimate authority to make the community decisions precisely because the entire purpose of their office, and the reason they were put in that office, is so that they would and could make those decisions. You're begging the question. "Who should decide?" is a retarded libertarian talking point that just emphasizes how little you understand co-operation and the entire fucking purpose of government. "Who should decide?" The fucking GOVERNMENT. THAT IS WHY THEY EXIST. TO BE THE ONES WHO DECIDE.
- grandalf 13y ago
  It appears you share the views and reasoning of Edmund Burke, father of Conservatism.
  - AkimChristine 13y ago
    Wow, really? Literally everyone except anarchists and libertarians agrees with my above view. Everyone with the slightest amount of understanding of how the human species creates and perpetuates community and culture shares my view. That includes Communists, Nazis, Liberal Democrats, Whigs, Tories, The Pope, Queen Elizabeth II, Gandhi, Vladimir Putin, Plato, John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, Voltaire, Kim Jong-Un. Literally everyone of any consequence in all of human history understands that the entire purpose of government is to be the body that makes decisions on behalf of the community. It's only adolescent-headed libertarians and anarchists that don't understand this. Privileged idiots out of touch with reality.

grandalf 13y ago

Not sure if you're trolling or not. Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but your comments have been killed and now I can't reply to them.

GudaYakub 13y ago
I'm not trolling I'm just ranting. You're not going to change my mind--I've already assumed that you're an uneducated computer nerd with no understanding at all of people or society. I just come here to rant at libertarians. I make a new account every time because if you swear or sound "uncivil" some of the moderators will blackball you.
- grandalf 13y ago
  How would you define uneducated? Do you consider yourself educated? Why do you consider yourself someone who understands people? Also, why do you use profanity in your HN comments. Profanity can certainly add some rhetorical impact at times, but your use of it comes off a bit more like trolling than rhetoric.
  - GudaYakub 13y ago
    I don't give a shit what computer janitors think about my language. I fucking swear because I fucking swear. Real people swear. Swearing is an excellent way to express your distaste. I'm educated because, factually, I am fucking educated. Computer nerds--even the ones with computer science degrees who are fewer and fewer these days--always receive extremely narrow technical educations and are complete idiots when it comes to anything that isn't code. This is why they are libertarians. Libertarianism is the dumbest mass movement since puritanism. It's utterly bankrupt of culture and can only exist in the minds of people who severely overestimate their knowledge. I come here to vent my hatred for libertarians. There are lots of libertarians here. They think the best way to solve major social issues is literally to do nothing and have no government, no community, no society. It's the dumbest ideology ever but it's very well funded by Koch, Thiel, etc. The Tea Party and austerity politics are the achievements of libertarians. In my perfect world libertarian billionaires would be convicted of crimes against humanity and sentenced to death.