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Some of us are sensitive to nicotine as well as smoke. Don't be blowing vapor around like it's doing no harm while inside. I'll have a reaction, (starts with ti

Some of us are sensitive to nicotine as well as smoke. Don't be blowing vapor around like it's doing no harm while inside. I'll have a reaction, (starts with tingling lips), then I'll have a polite reaction to tell you to take it outside. If you need nicotine, use a patch or gum, not a device that may spew shit in the air. If you "vape" take that stuff outside.

catshirt 13y ago
i'm sensitive to volume but i wouldn't have the audacity to ask a loud patron to leave a bar. i realize it's not a totally fair comparison given possible health implications. but as long as it's legal it seems strange to expect someone to leave a public venue on a stranger's preference.
- xradionut 13y ago
  I used not go to bars and events for years due to the smoking. Then it got better with more restrictions of smoking. Now with the vaping, I can't go again unless it's a place that restricts it.
  - jlgreco 13y ago
    What sort of bars are you going to that it is that frequent? I can count on one hand the number of people I have seen with these things in the wild.
  - catshirt 13y ago
    yeah. and that sucks. but that is the nature of the trade-off you want to make. you can stay home, or you can go to a bar and deal with the nicotine vapor. i guess asking someone to stop vaping is an option. but expecting them to comply is delusional, and the request would strike me as selfish and pushy. i'll add that people vaping in places of congregation is sparse enough in NYC that i'm surprised anyone has even had the opportunity to be inconvenienced by it.
  - jerf 13y ago
    Would you be willing to clearly assert that you have had at least one dining experience ruined in the real world because of people vaping? And not ruined by the mere act of vaping, but because of some uncontrollable physical reaction you had (as opposed to emotional revulsion)? My experience with vaping is not extensive, but so far I've stood right next to a couple of people and been unable to notice anything, and for reference, my reaction to cigarette smoke is a pretty significant headache pretty quickly so it's not like I'm unsympathetic. Is there an actual problem, or are you projecting experiences from smoking onto something that isn't really the same experience? (This is, BTW, an honest question, though I freely admit its nature is a bit hostile since I'm asking about whether your fears are "real" or projection. But I do mean it honestly, and if anyone else can speak up with a real negative experience, I'm all ears. But please make sure it's real, and not just a moral panic projection based on expectations.)
nucleardog 13y ago
And what exactly makes your 'sensitivity' override someone else's will? We haven't banned peanuts entirely from society and the effects on those who are allergic is much more severe than your symptoms.
- gte910h 13y ago
  >And what exactly makes your 'sensitivity' override someone else's will? Assault laws? I'm pretty sure blowing powdered peanut into the air is unacceptable once someone says they have a peanut allergy

catshirt 13y ago

i'm sensitive to volume but i wouldn't have the audacity to ask a loud patron to leave a bar. i realize it's not a totally fair comparison given possible health implications. but as long as it's legal it seems strange to expect someone to leave a public venue on a stranger's preference.

xradionut 13y ago
I used not go to bars and events for years due to the smoking. Then it got better with more restrictions of smoking. Now with the vaping, I can't go again unless it's a place that restricts it.
- jlgreco 13y ago
  What sort of bars are you going to that it is that frequent? I can count on one hand the number of people I have seen with these things in the wild.
- catshirt 13y ago
  yeah. and that sucks. but that is the nature of the trade-off you want to make. you can stay home, or you can go to a bar and deal with the nicotine vapor. i guess asking someone to stop vaping is an option. but expecting them to comply is delusional, and the request would strike me as selfish and pushy. i'll add that people vaping in places of congregation is sparse enough in NYC that i'm surprised anyone has even had the opportunity to be inconvenienced by it.
- jerf 13y ago
  Would you be willing to clearly assert that you have had at least one dining experience ruined in the real world because of people vaping? And not ruined by the mere act of vaping, but because of some uncontrollable physical reaction you had (as opposed to emotional revulsion)? My experience with vaping is not extensive, but so far I've stood right next to a couple of people and been unable to notice anything, and for reference, my reaction to cigarette smoke is a pretty significant headache pretty quickly so it's not like I'm unsympathetic. Is there an actual problem, or are you projecting experiences from smoking onto something that isn't really the same experience? (This is, BTW, an honest question, though I freely admit its nature is a bit hostile since I'm asking about whether your fears are "real" or projection. But I do mean it honestly, and if anyone else can speak up with a real negative experience, I'm all ears. But please make sure it's real, and not just a moral panic projection based on expectations.)

nucleardog 13y ago

And what exactly makes your 'sensitivity' override someone else's will? We haven't banned peanuts entirely from society and the effects on those who are allergic is much more severe than your symptoms.

gte910h 13y ago
>And what exactly makes your 'sensitivity' override someone else's will? Assault laws? I'm pretty sure blowing powdered peanut into the air is unacceptable once someone says they have a peanut allergy