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While I agree with the vast majority of your criticisms, I wouldn't be surprised if you're underestimating the language barrier issue. >Is the claim that the J

by pflats 13y ago

While I agree with the vast majority of your criticisms, I wouldn't be surprised if you're underestimating the language barrier issue. >Is the claim that the Japanese are technologically behind the rest of the world? Why would web development/design be different than almost every other technical industry? Many programming languages are based on English and the Latin script. Programming, and more specifically web programming, requires a level of fluency with English and its alphabet that I would expect significantly decreases the available talent pool in non-Anglo countries, especially countries with different writing systems[1]. No other technologies lean so heavily a specific language. Math and science are universal and independent of any language. Computer science is universal. Computer programming is not. [1]Comparing a country like Vietnam (that uses a Latin script) to another equivalent Asian country might be interesting.

blah32497 13y ago
I would expand this to include the sciences. I did a 2 month industry internship in Japan a few years ago and I was blown away by the effects of the language barrier. They are incredibly disconnected from the rest of the world. While the rest of the world is publishing their results in English, they are publishing in their own Japanese trade journals. It's kind of ironic, b/c in a less developed country (China), or a less populous country (European countries) you wouldn't have the local base to support the publishing of local language journals and technical books. So they're victims of their own success. Sure they can go read an IEEE article, but 9/10 times they'll go to a Japanese source b/c it's so much easier for them. For programming it's probably only worse. I imagine there is a Japanese equivalent to Stack Exchange, but it will have a tiny fraction of the help you get on the English language one. It's probably like programming in the 90s! =)
- rapind 13y ago
  Well Ruby came out of Japan. So in 1995 some of Japan's coders were programming like it was 2005.
  - dead_phish 13y ago
    Well, one of Japan's coders. Matz was kind of revolutionary.
    - msutherl 13y ago
      Ruby isn't exactly revolutionary. See: Smalltalk. RoR, however, was.
  - Pitarou 13y ago
    This is an interesting case. A new programming language is a frail thing, and can only grow and prosper if it finds an unoccupied niche. Japan was the perfect environment for Ruby to develop until it was ready to take on the world. It's as if mammals evolved on an island without any dinosaurs, and then swam over to the mainland.
  - ekianjo 13y ago
    Mouahaha you killed your argument with this example. Matz is not really a typical Japanese. He is a mormont, he's fluent in English, and lived extensively overseas. There's almost no Japanese like him. So let's forget about this case.
j03w 13y ago
Apart from having Latin-like script I don't think there is much similarity between English and Vietnamese. Either way, isn't Japan also famous for its engineering prowess? I doubt that country with such high engineering competency will lack talent for web development simply because of the language barrier (if there is actually the lack of talent at all). I'm not saying language barrier doesn't exist but if language barrier didn't prevent them from having companies like Konami, Square Enix, Namco, Bandai, Nintendo or Sony then why would it prevents them to have more web developers? Ruby was created by a Japanese for that matter.
- uchi 13y ago
  Unsurprisingly, the companies you listed churn out some pretty terrible code. Square Enix for example has pretty big problems with ffxiv because hacking and botting is so easy. Maintenance windows have gotten longer and are occurring more often in an effort to patch vulnerabilities. Just last week players who were in a specific city accessing their retainers (personal bankers) had their money flushed from their characters by hackers who compromised the trade cluster and transfered it to their bots by listing bogus trash items for millions of gold.
  - j03w 13y ago
    Sure, but it's not like companies in western world don't make similar mistake. WoW/DB3 have plenty of exploits too. Bad code are produced by everyone regardless the cultural or native language background.
- uchi 13y ago
  Unsurprisingly, the companies you listed churn out some pretty terrible code. Square Enix for example has pretty big problems with ffxiv because hacking and botting is so easy. Maintenance windows have gotten longer and are occurring more often in an effort to patch vulnerabilities. Just last week players who were in a specific city accessing their retainers (personal bankers) had their money flushed from their characters by hackers who compromised the trade cluster and transfered it to their bots by listing bogus trash items for millions of gold.
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plaguuuuuu 13y ago
>Many programming languages are based on English and the Latin script. Because UX/design = programming..?

by pflats 13y ago

blah32497 13y ago

I would expand this to include the sciences. I did a 2 month industry internship in Japan a few years ago and I was blown away by the effects of the language barrier. They are incredibly disconnected from the rest of the world. While the rest of the world is publishing their results in English, they are publishing in their own Japanese trade journals. It's kind of ironic, b/c in a less developed country (China), or a less populous country (European countries) you wouldn't have the local base to support the publishing of local language journals and technical books. So they're victims of their own success. Sure they can go read an IEEE article, but 9/10 times they'll go to a Japanese source b/c it's so much easier for them. For programming it's probably only worse. I imagine there is a Japanese equivalent to Stack Exchange, but it will have a tiny fraction of the help you get on the English language one. It's probably like programming in the 90s! =)

rapind 13y ago
Well Ruby came out of Japan. So in 1995 some of Japan's coders were programming like it was 2005.
- dead_phish 13y ago
  Well, one of Japan's coders. Matz was kind of revolutionary.
  - msutherl 13y ago
    Ruby isn't exactly revolutionary. See: Smalltalk. RoR, however, was.
- Pitarou 13y ago
  This is an interesting case. A new programming language is a frail thing, and can only grow and prosper if it finds an unoccupied niche. Japan was the perfect environment for Ruby to develop until it was ready to take on the world. It's as if mammals evolved on an island without any dinosaurs, and then swam over to the mainland.
- ekianjo 13y ago
  Mouahaha you killed your argument with this example. Matz is not really a typical Japanese. He is a mormont, he's fluent in English, and lived extensively overseas. There's almost no Japanese like him. So let's forget about this case.

j03w 13y ago

Apart from having Latin-like script I don't think there is much similarity between English and Vietnamese. Either way, isn't Japan also famous for its engineering prowess? I doubt that country with such high engineering competency will lack talent for web development simply because of the language barrier (if there is actually the lack of talent at all). I'm not saying language barrier doesn't exist but if language barrier didn't prevent them from having companies like Konami, Square Enix, Namco, Bandai, Nintendo or Sony then why would it prevents them to have more web developers? Ruby was created by a Japanese for that matter.

uchi 13y ago
Unsurprisingly, the companies you listed churn out some pretty terrible code. Square Enix for example has pretty big problems with ffxiv because hacking and botting is so easy. Maintenance windows have gotten longer and are occurring more often in an effort to patch vulnerabilities. Just last week players who were in a specific city accessing their retainers (personal bankers) had their money flushed from their characters by hackers who compromised the trade cluster and transfered it to their bots by listing bogus trash items for millions of gold.
- j03w 13y ago
  Sure, but it's not like companies in western world don't make similar mistake. WoW/DB3 have plenty of exploits too. Bad code are produced by everyone regardless the cultural or native language background.
uchi 13y ago
Unsurprisingly, the companies you listed churn out some pretty terrible code. Square Enix for example has pretty big problems with ffxiv because hacking and botting is so easy. Maintenance windows have gotten longer and are occurring more often in an effort to patch vulnerabilities. Just last week players who were in a specific city accessing their retainers (personal bankers) had their money flushed from their characters by hackers who compromised the trade cluster and transfered it to their bots by listing bogus trash items for millions of gold.
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plaguuuuuu 13y ago

>Many programming languages are based on English and the Latin script. Because UX/design = programming..?