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What a load of crock. I thought we were over this sort of nonsense. It's 2013 for crying out loud. Next up: vim vs emacs. Windows vs *nix. Your dick vs mine. I

by Tharkun 13y ago

What a load of crock. I thought we were over this sort of nonsense. It's 2013 for crying out loud. Next up: vim vs emacs. Windows vs *nix. Your dick vs mine. If you like eclipse, use it. If you don't like it, stay away from it. Should you try something new every once in a while? Of course, you're a developer, trying out new things should be a matter of course. Should you share your new find with others? Of course! Should you claim that your latest gem is da bomb and that friends don't let friends use yesterday's socks? No.

buckbova 13y ago
You are right, a comparison article with actual feature set comparisons or performance metrics would have been better than "eclipse slow, use IntelliJ".
eranation 13y ago
I would agree, but for the chance that anyone (the 1 in 10,000, insert relevant XKCD link here) hasn't heard of IntelliJ and uses Eclipse out of habit, then this post is worth it. p.s. I think Eclipse is really great, indispensable for Java EE / Spring and even Scala projects, once you know to avoid it's HD / CPU killing quirks, but I use IDEA for my day to day work instead, had it had all things being equal, its killer trait for me is that it's simply faster.
kperry 13y ago
I switched a year ago and the usability improvement is substantial. This isn't vim vs. emacs, this is emacs vs. MS Wordpad. Is it perfect, no, but it is so much better than Eclipse. Eclipse is one tool for all jobs which makes the UI very clunky and not very intuitive. Even C++ developers on our team when switching back and forth between Eclipse and Visual Studio (we do cross-platform development) would loath at their time using Eclipse. I used to defend it, but not any more. Sure, maybe this will turn into an Android vs. iPhone debate, but let someone use IntelliJ for 6 months (after having experience with Eclipse) and tell me how many people want to switch back.
- hrjet 13y ago
  I wanted to switch back after about 9 months with IntelliJ. But anyway, why would you care how many people want to switch back! To each his own...
ethomson 13y ago
I agree with you mostly: I hate these sorts of x is better than y editor war commentaries, but this one does make an important point: Eclipse is slow. And it is slow. Not slow compared to IntelliJ. Not slow compared to NetBeans. Slow compared to Eclipse 3. The UI refactorings they did in Eclipse 4 have turned it into a trainwreck on any of my machines, to the point where I still use Eclipse 3 for my day-to-day development. Eclipse 4 remains noticeably slower for me on Windows and almost unusable on Mac OS. The thought of having to run it on SunOS or AIX makes me choke up with fear. That Eclipse 3.8 updated their icon to be identical to Eclipse 4 means that I have a landmine disguised as a lovely field in my task bar. I hope people keep trumpeting this because every developer and foundation member I've heard from are in denial about this.
hawleyal 13y ago
A lot of shops dictate tools. Eclipse is free. No brainer for management. But it's a piece of shit. No doubt for developers.

by Tharkun 13y ago

buckbova 13y ago

You are right, a comparison article with actual feature set comparisons or performance metrics would have been better than "eclipse slow, use IntelliJ".

eranation 13y ago

I would agree, but for the chance that anyone (the 1 in 10,000, insert relevant XKCD link here) hasn't heard of IntelliJ and uses Eclipse out of habit, then this post is worth it. p.s. I think Eclipse is really great, indispensable for Java EE / Spring and even Scala projects, once you know to avoid it's HD / CPU killing quirks, but I use IDEA for my day to day work instead, had it had all things being equal, its killer trait for me is that it's simply faster.

kperry 13y ago

I switched a year ago and the usability improvement is substantial. This isn't vim vs. emacs, this is emacs vs. MS Wordpad. Is it perfect, no, but it is so much better than Eclipse. Eclipse is one tool for all jobs which makes the UI very clunky and not very intuitive. Even C++ developers on our team when switching back and forth between Eclipse and Visual Studio (we do cross-platform development) would loath at their time using Eclipse. I used to defend it, but not any more. Sure, maybe this will turn into an Android vs. iPhone debate, but let someone use IntelliJ for 6 months (after having experience with Eclipse) and tell me how many people want to switch back.

hrjet 13y ago
I wanted to switch back after about 9 months with IntelliJ. But anyway, why would you care how many people want to switch back! To each his own...

ethomson 13y ago

I agree with you mostly: I hate these sorts of x is better than y editor war commentaries, but this one does make an important point: Eclipse is slow. And it is slow. Not slow compared to IntelliJ. Not slow compared to NetBeans. Slow compared to Eclipse 3. The UI refactorings they did in Eclipse 4 have turned it into a trainwreck on any of my machines, to the point where I still use Eclipse 3 for my day-to-day development. Eclipse 4 remains noticeably slower for me on Windows and almost unusable on Mac OS. The thought of having to run it on SunOS or AIX makes me choke up with fear. That Eclipse 3.8 updated their icon to be identical to Eclipse 4 means that I have a landmine disguised as a lovely field in my task bar. I hope people keep trumpeting this because every developer and foundation member I've heard from are in denial about this.

hawleyal 13y ago

A lot of shops dictate tools. Eclipse is free. No brainer for management. But it's a piece of shit. No doubt for developers.