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Because you are promoting the product by contributing to sales figures and because far superior computers can be purchased for very little money. A cheap lenovo

by csmuk 13y ago

Because you are promoting the product by contributing to sales figures and because far superior computers can be purchased for very little money. A cheap lenovo laptop can be had for the same price as a basic chromebook in the UK with a larger screen, 6Gb of RAM, 500Gb hard disk and DVD writer. You can choose to use windows that comes with it or install Ubuntu.

hdevalence 13y ago
Cool, can you point me to a Lenovo that costs $250, weighs 1kg, has >6 hours of battery life, and preferably has no moving parts and runs totally silently?
- csmuk 13y ago
  No. I can point you to one that weighs 2.5x that, barely manages 4 hours, has a rotating disk and is fairly quiet for that price. But my printer will work with it so that makes it infinitely more valuable. And I don't have to sign in to a google account nor be connected to the Internet to use it effectively.
  - hdevalence 13y ago
    So the point is that a Lenovo laptop is far superior for you, but maybe not for everyone. Maybe the people who talk about how great chromebooks are have come to different conclusions, based on different requirements?
    - csmuk 13y ago
      Yes they have. Marketing. Which doesn't fairly represent needs.
jlgreco 13y ago
Lenovo laptops suffer from eyestabbingly bad screens. To my knowledge, traditional PC laptops with better screens than the Pixel have been announced, but are not yet available for purchase.
- csmuk 13y ago
  No. The screens are fine. Your expectation is exceedingly high. It doesn't make much of a difference at 2 feet away. This is marketing carry over from high PPI displays on mobile devices where it does make a difference.
  - jlgreco 13y ago
    I beg to differ. I can fit several more xterms side by side on a pixel screen than on any thinkpad. High DPI only becomes pointless if you scale everything up correspondingly. I don't do that. The expectation that a laptop have a screen with more pixels than a smartphone is not unreasonably high. Excepting less is absurd. I used a eeepc 1001px with a 1024x600 prior to getting a chromebook pixel, and I used a 1680x1050 T60p before that. I am done with that shit resolutions.
    - csmuk 13y ago
      Yes but you can't read them without getting eyestrain. I have perhaps three terminal windows open max and use cwm. I've had old Dell 15" 1600x1200 laptops which aren't even near to that and that was virtually unusable. I'm now using a 14" 1440x900 and it's about right. Accepting less is fine. Eating all the burgers on the table because they are there is absurd.
      - jlgreco 13y ago
        > "Yes but you can't read them without getting eyestrain." Maybe I'm working on borrowed time with young eyes, or maybe I work too close to my screen, but I certainly can. I am sitting here at work on a company T420 with a 14" screen at 1600x900. Laptop on my lap, back of the laptop at my knees with the screen tilted away from me and my body reclined away from it. Feet kicked up on another chair. ...I find this anything but satisfactory. I can get two decent vertical panes with tmux over putty, with three being possible for some tasks. At home I frequently do double this, or more.
  - dingaling 13y ago

by csmuk 13y ago

hdevalence 13y ago

Cool, can you point me to a Lenovo that costs $250, weighs 1kg, has >6 hours of battery life, and preferably has no moving parts and runs totally silently?

csmuk 13y ago
No. I can point you to one that weighs 2.5x that, barely manages 4 hours, has a rotating disk and is fairly quiet for that price. But my printer will work with it so that makes it infinitely more valuable. And I don't have to sign in to a google account nor be connected to the Internet to use it effectively.
- hdevalence 13y ago
  So the point is that a Lenovo laptop is far superior for you, but maybe not for everyone. Maybe the people who talk about how great chromebooks are have come to different conclusions, based on different requirements?
  - csmuk 13y ago
    Yes they have. Marketing. Which doesn't fairly represent needs.

jlgreco 13y ago

Lenovo laptops suffer from eyestabbingly bad screens. To my knowledge, traditional PC laptops with better screens than the Pixel have been announced, but are not yet available for purchase.

csmuk 13y ago
No. The screens are fine. Your expectation is exceedingly high. It doesn't make much of a difference at 2 feet away. This is marketing carry over from high PPI displays on mobile devices where it does make a difference.
- jlgreco 13y ago
  I beg to differ. I can fit several more xterms side by side on a pixel screen than on any thinkpad. High DPI only becomes pointless if you scale everything up correspondingly. I don't do that. The expectation that a laptop have a screen with more pixels than a smartphone is not unreasonably high. Excepting less is absurd. I used a eeepc 1001px with a 1024x600 prior to getting a chromebook pixel, and I used a 1680x1050 T60p before that. I am done with that shit resolutions.
  - csmuk 13y ago
    Yes but you can't read them without getting eyestrain. I have perhaps three terminal windows open max and use cwm. I've had old Dell 15" 1600x1200 laptops which aren't even near to that and that was virtually unusable. I'm now using a 14" 1440x900 and it's about right. Accepting less is fine. Eating all the burgers on the table because they are there is absurd.
    - jlgreco 13y ago
      > "Yes but you can't read them without getting eyestrain." Maybe I'm working on borrowed time with young eyes, or maybe I work too close to my screen, but I certainly can. I am sitting here at work on a company T420 with a 14" screen at 1600x900. Laptop on my lap, back of the laptop at my knees with the screen tilted away from me and my body reclined away from it. Feet kicked up on another chair. ...I find this anything but satisfactory. I can get two decent vertical panes with tmux over putty, with three being possible for some tasks. At home I frequently do double this, or more.
- dingaling 13y ago