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But this couldn't be introduced in the US, and maybe not even in Europe. In the US you would definitely get instantly sued (and lose) for discrimination on phys

But this couldn't be introduced in the US, and maybe not even in Europe. In the US you would definitely get instantly sued (and lose) for discrimination on physical fitness.

th0br0 13y ago
I don't think that there's any reason that as long as you offer means for paying cash you could be easily sued. That's speaking for Germany, at least. Sadly, I can imagine what such a lawsuit would look like in the US rather well :(
Afforess 13y ago
Not if you also offered a method to pay cash for the tickets. No discrimination then.
- cocoflunchy 13y ago
  I'm not so sure about that... what if you're a disabled person? What if you started giving free tickets to people who can do 60 sit-ups, or 100, instead of 30? Wouldn't this mean free tickets for men only (or mostly)?
  - th0br0 13y ago
    So give the disabled people a free ride (which, YMMV, they should be getting anyway and actually are already in Germany) As for the men-only part... enhance the system to not use a fixed number but have that number depend on the applicant's estimated gender, age, weight etc. You could even gamify this, gain money from selling people's user statistics (ugh!) etc.
  - anonymfus 13y ago
    Disabled have a free ride in Moscow metro. Elders have a free ride if they are registered in Moscow.
  - DanBC 13y ago
    You alter the activity for different disabilities. Someone unable to use their legs could do some lifting. Someone unable to use their legs or arms could do some encouraging yelling to other people. Don't let diversity scare you away from doing things - do them, but make best efforts to be inclusive.
  - vidarh 13y ago
    > 60 sit-ups, or 100, instead of 30? Wouldn't this mean free tickets for men only (or mostly)? Why would you think that? Body weight exercises are generally easier for smaller built people to get good at. For one, it gets harder and harder to add more muscle as you get bigger, and secondly smaller built people have shorter distances to move. If it was limited by explosive strength, maybe, because it's harder for women to grow large muscle volume, but if you can do 10-20 plus, it's pretty much down to endurance beyond that point.
dhruvkaran 13y ago
What if you generated electricity and stored it into a battery and then the transit system just paid an equivalent amount for the electricity?
- femto 13y ago
  Or you could set up a treadmill, and you get a kilometre of free train transport for every kilometre you walk on the treadmill. Call it performance art.
  - jacalata 13y ago
    Interesting idea, but I don't think many metro systems are set up to easily sell 'a kilometer' of transport?
    - eru 13y ago
      Just make it work out on average.
      - thaumasiotes 13y ago
        I think you phrased this a little too glibly, but it's a very good point. You can tune two systems to have roughly the "exchange rate" that you'd like to see (unless each is highly sensitive to the other), even if there's not a direct point-for-points correspondence, but it's not necessarily easy to think of that.
        jacalata 13y ago
        Do you mean it's possible without changing the existing ticket systems, or that it's possible to adapt the ticket systems so it could work? For instance, the systems I've used sell tickets either by zone (unlimited travel within a region for x time) or by train station, where the difference between stations varies widely but the cost between stations doesn't.
prawn 13y ago
Set up an independent kiosk nearby that traded exercise (under the guise of energy generation) for free tickets.

But this couldn't be introduced in the US, and maybe not even in Europe. In the US you would definitely get instantly sued (and lose) for discrimination on physical fitness.

th0br0 13y ago

I don't think that there's any reason that as long as you offer means for paying cash you could be easily sued. That's speaking for Germany, at least. Sadly, I can imagine what such a lawsuit would look like in the US rather well :(

Afforess 13y ago

Not if you also offered a method to pay cash for the tickets. No discrimination then.

cocoflunchy 13y ago
I'm not so sure about that... what if you're a disabled person? What if you started giving free tickets to people who can do 60 sit-ups, or 100, instead of 30? Wouldn't this mean free tickets for men only (or mostly)?
- th0br0 13y ago
  So give the disabled people a free ride (which, YMMV, they should be getting anyway and actually are already in Germany) As for the men-only part... enhance the system to not use a fixed number but have that number depend on the applicant's estimated gender, age, weight etc. You could even gamify this, gain money from selling people's user statistics (ugh!) etc.
- anonymfus 13y ago
  Disabled have a free ride in Moscow metro. Elders have a free ride if they are registered in Moscow.
- DanBC 13y ago
  You alter the activity for different disabilities. Someone unable to use their legs could do some lifting. Someone unable to use their legs or arms could do some encouraging yelling to other people. Don't let diversity scare you away from doing things - do them, but make best efforts to be inclusive.
- vidarh 13y ago
  > 60 sit-ups, or 100, instead of 30? Wouldn't this mean free tickets for men only (or mostly)? Why would you think that? Body weight exercises are generally easier for smaller built people to get good at. For one, it gets harder and harder to add more muscle as you get bigger, and secondly smaller built people have shorter distances to move. If it was limited by explosive strength, maybe, because it's harder for women to grow large muscle volume, but if you can do 10-20 plus, it's pretty much down to endurance beyond that point.

dhruvkaran 13y ago

What if you generated electricity and stored it into a battery and then the transit system just paid an equivalent amount for the electricity?

femto 13y ago
Or you could set up a treadmill, and you get a kilometre of free train transport for every kilometre you walk on the treadmill. Call it performance art.
- jacalata 13y ago
  Interesting idea, but I don't think many metro systems are set up to easily sell 'a kilometer' of transport?
  - eru 13y ago
    Just make it work out on average.
    - thaumasiotes 13y ago
      I think you phrased this a little too glibly, but it's a very good point. You can tune two systems to have roughly the "exchange rate" that you'd like to see (unless each is highly sensitive to the other), even if there's not a direct point-for-points correspondence, but it's not necessarily easy to think of that.
      - jacalata 13y ago
        Do you mean it's possible without changing the existing ticket systems, or that it's possible to adapt the ticket systems so it could work? For instance, the systems I've used sell tickets either by zone (unlimited travel within a region for x time) or by train station, where the difference between stations varies widely but the cost between stations doesn't.

prawn 13y ago

Set up an independent kiosk nearby that traded exercise (under the guise of energy generation) for free tickets.