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Keith wasn't referring to the Google Trends chart. It is an unrelated quote about the state of the various languages' ecosystems 4 years after their release dat

by enneff 13y ago

Keith wasn't referring to the Google Trends chart. It is an unrelated quote about the state of the various languages' ecosystems 4 years after their release dates.

dbaupp 13y ago
None of the languages being compared against were released in the ubiquitous-internet age with things like Github and widespread blogging to drive interest and adoption.
- enneff 13y ago
  I don't think the comparison is supposed to be a value judgement of C++, Java, or Python. It's just an observation about how quickly the Go ecosystem has matured. Of course the internet played a huge role in this!
  - yareally 13y ago
    If one is going to compare a language to Go, I would go with C#, since it's only slightly older (2001 or so) and also backed by a major corporation.
    - gillianseed 13y ago
      Well since Go made it's appearance in 2009 and C# in 2000, I wouldn't call that 'only slightly older', not even by programming language standards. Beyond that, Go certainly doesn't have the same backing from Google as C# had from Microsoft, on the other hand Microsoft had a monetary incentive to provide support and tools/frameworks as they charged for those proprietary implementations while Google is giving Go away under a permissive licence. Anyway, for fun I looked at the language poll made here recently on HN and compared C# and Go: C# 1130 likes, 465 dislikes Go 1126 likes, 365 dislikes So it would seem that Go has reached the same popularity as C# here on HN atleast. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6527104 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6527104
      - dbaupp 13y ago
        HN is a hotbed of early adopters (and Microsoft is not a favourite among many readers).
- girvo 13y ago
  That... doesn't really change the general point?
  - dbaupp 13y ago
    Yes it does, the point is "Go's ecosystem has developed really fast" but maybe a (hypothetical) better language developed in this day & age would've reached the same point in 2 years?
    - enneff 13y ago
      "A better language might do better" is not a very interesting point to make.
      - dbaupp 13y ago
        Neither is "A language released in the age of the internet gets adopted faster than languages before it".
        enneff 13y ago
        Isn't it?
- coldtea 13y ago
  >None of the languages being compared against were released in the ubiquitous-internet age with things like Github and widespread blogging to drive interest and adoption. Which doesn't seem to matter anyway. There are tons of languages released every year that fare even worse than languages released in 1980, despite having "ubiquitous-internet, Github and widespread blogging" at their disposal.
  - dbaupp 13y ago
    How many are backed by one of the largest companies on the internet?
    - overcyn 13y ago
      What is your point here? This is a blog post celebrating the 4th anniversary of a programming language. Shame on them for being proud of what they created because other languages had a harder time?
    - coldtea 13y ago
      Not many, including Go. Go is extremely peripheral to what Google does -- it's essentially a 20% project that did well.
  - chongli 13y ago
    There are tons of languages released every year that fare even worse than languages released in 1980, despite having "ubiquitous-internet, Github and widespread blogging" at their disposal. Those tools are force multipliers. If the initial force is zero, the output is still going to be zero.
axaxs 13y ago
With all due respect, I don't feel he is/was old enough to make such claims, as judging by his picture. Not saying that he is right or wrong, only the wrong person to make such claims.

by enneff 13y ago

Keith wasn't referring to the Google Trends chart. It is an unrelated quote about the state of the various languages' ecosystems 4 years after their release dates.

dbaupp 13y ago

None of the languages being compared against were released in the ubiquitous-internet age with things like Github and widespread blogging to drive interest and adoption.

enneff 13y ago
I don't think the comparison is supposed to be a value judgement of C++, Java, or Python. It's just an observation about how quickly the Go ecosystem has matured. Of course the internet played a huge role in this!
- yareally 13y ago
  If one is going to compare a language to Go, I would go with C#, since it's only slightly older (2001 or so) and also backed by a major corporation.
  - gillianseed 13y ago
    Well since Go made it's appearance in 2009 and C# in 2000, I wouldn't call that 'only slightly older', not even by programming language standards. Beyond that, Go certainly doesn't have the same backing from Google as C# had from Microsoft, on the other hand Microsoft had a monetary incentive to provide support and tools/frameworks as they charged for those proprietary implementations while Google is giving Go away under a permissive licence. Anyway, for fun I looked at the language poll made here recently on HN and compared C# and Go: C# 1130 likes, 465 dislikes Go 1126 likes, 365 dislikes So it would seem that Go has reached the same popularity as C# here on HN atleast. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6527104 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6527104
    - dbaupp 13y ago
      HN is a hotbed of early adopters (and Microsoft is not a favourite among many readers).
girvo 13y ago
That... doesn't really change the general point?
- dbaupp 13y ago
  Yes it does, the point is "Go's ecosystem has developed really fast" but maybe a (hypothetical) better language developed in this day & age would've reached the same point in 2 years?
  - enneff 13y ago
    "A better language might do better" is not a very interesting point to make.
    - dbaupp 13y ago
      Neither is "A language released in the age of the internet gets adopted faster than languages before it".
      - enneff 13y ago
        Isn't it?
coldtea 13y ago
>None of the languages being compared against were released in the ubiquitous-internet age with things like Github and widespread blogging to drive interest and adoption. Which doesn't seem to matter anyway. There are tons of languages released every year that fare even worse than languages released in 1980, despite having "ubiquitous-internet, Github and widespread blogging" at their disposal.
- dbaupp 13y ago
  How many are backed by one of the largest companies on the internet?
  - overcyn 13y ago
    What is your point here? This is a blog post celebrating the 4th anniversary of a programming language. Shame on them for being proud of what they created because other languages had a harder time?
  - coldtea 13y ago
    Not many, including Go. Go is extremely peripheral to what Google does -- it's essentially a 20% project that did well.
- chongli 13y ago
  There are tons of languages released every year that fare even worse than languages released in 1980, despite having "ubiquitous-internet, Github and widespread blogging" at their disposal. Those tools are force multipliers. If the initial force is zero, the output is still going to be zero.

axaxs 13y ago

With all due respect, I don't feel he is/was old enough to make such claims, as judging by his picture. Not saying that he is right or wrong, only the wrong person to make such claims.