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good to see a indian startup open sourcing one of their internal tool. only question why perl and fcgi? why not golang, python or ruby for it I last used fcgi

good to see a indian startup open sourcing one of their internal tool. only question why perl and fcgi? why not golang, python or ruby for it I last used fcgi 6-7 years back when that was the only option to host rails apps.

X-Istence 13y ago
Why not FastCGI? It is just another way to connect from the web server to a long running app, just like WSGI is...
- senthilnayagam 13y ago
  most modern apps and frameworks dont recommend FCGI Rails deprecated its use 4 years back ( https://github.com/rails/fcgi_handler https://github.com/rails/fcgi_handler ), FastCGI is deprecated in Django as well( https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/howto/deployment/ https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/howto/deployment/ ) common pattern is a reverse proxy to a C based server with or without evented loop with some reverse proxy/load balancer, or some compiled implementation in jvm, golang, beam etc
  - X-Istence 13y ago
    I am familiar with Python ... and I can understand that FastCGI was never really supported in the first place there, especially since Python has WSGI. I am not as familiar with Ruby. But just because "modern apps and frameworks" don't recommend it doesn't mean it is a bad protocol. PHP with PHP-FPM is awesome and well supported. Fast CGI still has a place in this world, and I don't see why just because some apps/frameworks have decided it isn't worth their time to support it, it would be an invalid choice to make for a new app...
    - senthilnayagam 13y ago
      perl is a language which has not seen any new adoption by developers, same is true about fastcgi. they were the best/state of the art 5-10 years back was it a design decision or they chose it as no alternate mechanisms/libraries is available in perl. these decisions are important to know for a open source project, it will determine its adoption, number of contributors, and will it flourish
      - draegtun 13y ago
        >perl is a language which has not seen any new adoption by developers... This is incorrect. Perl is still seeing good adoption by new developers. Now your argument could be that it probably not at same rate compared to some of the top languages around at this moment but Perl is still growing. Some facts... - CPAN continues to grow - http://cpants.cpanauthors.org/stats/uploads http://cpants.cpanauthors.org/stats/uploads | http://cpants.cpanauthors.org/stats/authors http://cpants.cpanauthors.org/stats/authors - According to this tweet Perl still produces more new repos on Github than languages like Scala, Clojure & Go - https://twitter.com/dberkholz/status/395922559151009792 https://twitter.com/dberkholz/status/395922559151009792 >was it a design decision or they chose it as no alternate mechanisms/libraries is available in perl No idea what their decision criteria was however they are plenty of alternative mechanisms/libraries in Perl. See PSGI/Plack for Perl's state of the art solution - http://plackperl.org http://plackperl.org
draegtun 13y ago
>why perl? Perl is very popular in India. Here's what Flipkart said in their blog post about HostDB: The first prototype was written in Python by Abhishek. Both Krishnan and I refuse to read Python and Krishnan rewrote the whole thing in Perl one night

X-Istence 13y ago

Why not FastCGI? It is just another way to connect from the web server to a long running app, just like WSGI is...

senthilnayagam 13y ago
most modern apps and frameworks dont recommend FCGI Rails deprecated its use 4 years back ( https://github.com/rails/fcgi_handler https://github.com/rails/fcgi_handler ), FastCGI is deprecated in Django as well( https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/howto/deployment/ https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/howto/deployment/ ) common pattern is a reverse proxy to a C based server with or without evented loop with some reverse proxy/load balancer, or some compiled implementation in jvm, golang, beam etc
- X-Istence 13y ago
  I am familiar with Python ... and I can understand that FastCGI was never really supported in the first place there, especially since Python has WSGI. I am not as familiar with Ruby. But just because "modern apps and frameworks" don't recommend it doesn't mean it is a bad protocol. PHP with PHP-FPM is awesome and well supported. Fast CGI still has a place in this world, and I don't see why just because some apps/frameworks have decided it isn't worth their time to support it, it would be an invalid choice to make for a new app...
  - senthilnayagam 13y ago
    perl is a language which has not seen any new adoption by developers, same is true about fastcgi. they were the best/state of the art 5-10 years back was it a design decision or they chose it as no alternate mechanisms/libraries is available in perl. these decisions are important to know for a open source project, it will determine its adoption, number of contributors, and will it flourish
    - draegtun 13y ago
      >perl is a language which has not seen any new adoption by developers... This is incorrect. Perl is still seeing good adoption by new developers. Now your argument could be that it probably not at same rate compared to some of the top languages around at this moment but Perl is still growing. Some facts... - CPAN continues to grow - http://cpants.cpanauthors.org/stats/uploads http://cpants.cpanauthors.org/stats/uploads | http://cpants.cpanauthors.org/stats/authors http://cpants.cpanauthors.org/stats/authors - According to this tweet Perl still produces more new repos on Github than languages like Scala, Clojure & Go - https://twitter.com/dberkholz/status/395922559151009792 https://twitter.com/dberkholz/status/395922559151009792 >was it a design decision or they chose it as no alternate mechanisms/libraries is available in perl No idea what their decision criteria was however they are plenty of alternative mechanisms/libraries in Perl. See PSGI/Plack for Perl's state of the art solution - http://plackperl.org http://plackperl.org

draegtun 13y ago

>why perl? Perl is very popular in India. Here's what Flipkart said in their blog post about HostDB: The first prototype was written in Python by Abhishek. Both Krishnan and I refuse to read Python and Krishnan rewrote the whole thing in Perl one night