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Yet two other countries on my personal No Fly List. ... [x] UK (can force people to hand over passwords) [x] US (probability that they reject people at the b

Yet two other countries on my personal No Fly List. ... [x] UK (can force people to hand over passwords) [x] US (probability that they reject people at the border/airport for ridiculous reasons) [x] Qatar (exit visa required) [x] Saudi Arabia (exit visa required) ... Even if I'm not sure if those exit visas also apply to short term visitors. Better safe than sorry.

objclxt 13y ago
I don't think Saudi will miss your custom - unless you're a Muslim (visiting for Hajj) or coming in on business you're going to find it near impossible to get into Saudi anyway. The only country it is harder to get tourist visas for is probably North Korea. > UK (can force people to hand over passwords) You are aware that most, if not all countries can force you to hand over your passport? If you are arrested and bailed the government don't really want you trying to flee the country. Even if you're not arrested many courts can compel you to surrender your passport (for example, in a child custody case). Some countries will also make you surrender your passport if you're entering certain disputed territories (Chinese citizens, for example, must give up their passport when entering Taiwan).
- jzwinck 13y ago
  He said passwords, not passport. The latter is just one tiny document (but, ID theft is scary). The former is explicitly so they can unlock all your secrets.
- zalew 13y ago
  > The only country it is harder to get tourist visas for is probably North Korea. and Turkmenistan.
pallingaround 13y ago
Fun fact: Saudi Arabia didn't outright outlaw slavery until 1965. (No, not 1865' 1965) Things take time in that part of the world
- jzwinck 13y ago
  Fun fact: the US didn't provide full equal rights for its gay citizens until sometime after 2013.
  - eropple 13y ago
    While I am firmly in favor of gay rights (and my political donations are largely directed towards those causes) there is a significant difference in degree here and the comparison is insulting to both.
    - pallingaround 13y ago
      +50
  - mikeash 13y ago
    How many countries did so earlier?
    - pallingaround 13y ago
      After some wiki-research, I found that my facts on this were dead wrong. It turns out that progressive Saudi Arabia was far more forward-thinking when it comes to the abolition of slavery than I had imagined, they abolished slavery in 1962 not 1965... But to answer your question, A LOT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline#1900.E2.80.93present http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline#1... (But also, ahem...http://www.loc.gov/rr/program/bib/ourdocs/13thamendment.html http://www.loc.gov/rr/program/bib/ourdocs/13thamendment.html) All smart assery aside, even today you are in big trouble as a Filipino or Eastern European maid or nanny if you choose or are tricked into setting up shop in Saudi Arabia
      - mikeash 13y ago
        I was asking about equal rights for homosexuals, not slavery. As far as I know, very few countries qualify today.
ksrm 13y ago
>[x] UK (can force people to hand over passwords) Might want to add all these to your little list then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law
- lignuist 13y ago
  Unfortunately the list gets longer and longer these days.

objclxt 13y ago

I don't think Saudi will miss your custom - unless you're a Muslim (visiting for Hajj) or coming in on business you're going to find it near impossible to get into Saudi anyway. The only country it is harder to get tourist visas for is probably North Korea. > UK (can force people to hand over passwords) You are aware that most, if not all countries can force you to hand over your passport? If you are arrested and bailed the government don't really want you trying to flee the country. Even if you're not arrested many courts can compel you to surrender your passport (for example, in a child custody case). Some countries will also make you surrender your passport if you're entering certain disputed territories (Chinese citizens, for example, must give up their passport when entering Taiwan).

jzwinck 13y ago
He said passwords, not passport. The latter is just one tiny document (but, ID theft is scary). The former is explicitly so they can unlock all your secrets.
zalew 13y ago
> The only country it is harder to get tourist visas for is probably North Korea. and Turkmenistan.

pallingaround 13y ago

Fun fact: Saudi Arabia didn't outright outlaw slavery until 1965. (No, not 1865' 1965) Things take time in that part of the world

jzwinck 13y ago
Fun fact: the US didn't provide full equal rights for its gay citizens until sometime after 2013.
- eropple 13y ago
  While I am firmly in favor of gay rights (and my political donations are largely directed towards those causes) there is a significant difference in degree here and the comparison is insulting to both.
  - pallingaround 13y ago
    +50
- mikeash 13y ago
  How many countries did so earlier?
  - pallingaround 13y ago
    After some wiki-research, I found that my facts on this were dead wrong. It turns out that progressive Saudi Arabia was far more forward-thinking when it comes to the abolition of slavery than I had imagined, they abolished slavery in 1962 not 1965... But to answer your question, A LOT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline#1900.E2.80.93present http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline#1... (But also, ahem...http://www.loc.gov/rr/program/bib/ourdocs/13thamendment.html http://www.loc.gov/rr/program/bib/ourdocs/13thamendment.html) All smart assery aside, even today you are in big trouble as a Filipino or Eastern European maid or nanny if you choose or are tricked into setting up shop in Saudi Arabia
    - mikeash 13y ago
      I was asking about equal rights for homosexuals, not slavery. As far as I know, very few countries qualify today.

ksrm 13y ago

>[x] UK (can force people to hand over passwords) Might want to add all these to your little list then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law

lignuist 13y ago
Unfortunately the list gets longer and longer these days.