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What innovative things has Nintendo been doing besides the Wii? Of top of my head and I am sure there are plenty more. - D-Pad (1982 on donkey kong) - L-R bu

What innovative things has Nintendo been doing besides the Wii? Of top of my head and I am sure there are plenty more. - D-Pad (1982 on donkey kong) - L-R buttons on SNES - redefining handheld console as we know it today (gameboy) - Analog stick on a joypad (N64 had it first) - Rumble actuator on a joypad (N64 had it first) - revitalization of game and game console market with NES - Touch screen interface on handheld consoles with dual screen (before iphone) - portable handheld console with 3D without glasses - 'portable' 3d console (virtual boy) - (re)defining 2d platformer genre as we know it today - (re)defining 3d platformer genre as we know it today (N64 super mario) - vast collection of super brands of games and characters - Wii and that whole thing with motion controller - Wii U with separate screen on a controller .... many many more So, what has Valve done exactly? They created a marketplace for games which has revitalized PC gaming (debatable on revitalized - more like set direction) and several popular games. Don't get me wrong, Valve is successful and likable company now (remember when everybody hated Steam?). They are just not in the same category with Nintendo as far as innovation goes, not technically nor creatively. Maybe some day they will be, but they are definitely not there yet.

sillysaurus2 13y ago
This feels bizarre. Maybe HNers don't actually play videogames? The Wii U is dead. It completely flopped. The original Wii may as well be ancient, in terms of game industry time. Nintendo was innovative. But they haven't been for awhile. When they have to resort to lawyering their fans, it's a bad omen. And they don't seem to have anything else up their sleeve right now, as Yahtzee elucidates: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/7417-Next-Gen-Buyers-Guide?hq=1 http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation... It's interesting that most people aren't recognizing what Valve's controller represents. The future of console gaming is Valve. I'll be happy to refer back to this comment in five years. Shall we bet $10?
- sebkomianos 13y ago
  I am pretty sure you'd have said the same "Nintendo used to be but is not anymore" thing during the GameCube ages. We all know what happened after that. Regarding Valve, its controller may or may not represent a lot of things. But until it defines at least one generation, we can't say anything. Other than that, what have we seen from them that is so innovative? EDIT: Also, "resort to lawyering"? It's not like they are suing the guy. They are just politely letting him know that what he is doing is illegal.
- Keyframe 13y ago
  Those are two different things though. Success and innovation. I was referring to innovation alone. Success is a whole other beast and I am sure it can be debated to great lengths. Especially in this context where it's not a zero-sum game. In order for Nintendo to be successful Valve doesn't have to lose and vice versa. They have to successfully capture whatever the market they are after. Is it the same market? I doubt it. Is there some overlap. Sure. The future of console gaming is Valve I don't bet because I am strongly opposed, for personal reasons, against gambling. We can bet on proverbial 'I told you so' if you will. Even though I haven't alluded that I think Valve isn't the future of console gaming in any way, now that I think about it I am sure it won't be. There's a possibility they will be a major player in console market, but I don't see that happening any time soon. I am quite sure they will disrupt PC gaming market once again... console gaming? no. So if you will, we can bet on that and come back to this 5 years from now for an 'I told you so' moment :) PS As long as I remember (and I remember back to the dinosaurs age) Nintendo has been regarded as 'soon to be dead'. Same with PC gaming. It just didn't happen over and over again.
  - sillysaurus2 13y ago
    Even though I haven't alluded that I think Valve isn't the future of console gaming in any way, now that I think about it I am sure it won't be. There's a possibility they will be a major player in console market, but I don't see that happening any time soon. I am quite sure they will disrupt PC gaming market once again... console gaming? no. So if you will, we can bet on that and come back to this 5 years from now for an 'I told you so' moment :) You're on! :)
  - sebkomianos 13y ago
    Someone make a "I told you so" tool so we are reminded of such HN debates? :D

sillysaurus2 13y ago

This feels bizarre. Maybe HNers don't actually play videogames? The Wii U is dead. It completely flopped. The original Wii may as well be ancient, in terms of game industry time. Nintendo was innovative. But they haven't been for awhile. When they have to resort to lawyering their fans, it's a bad omen. And they don't seem to have anything else up their sleeve right now, as Yahtzee elucidates: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/7417-Next-Gen-Buyers-Guide?hq=1 http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation... It's interesting that most people aren't recognizing what Valve's controller represents. The future of console gaming is Valve. I'll be happy to refer back to this comment in five years. Shall we bet $10?

sebkomianos 13y ago
I am pretty sure you'd have said the same "Nintendo used to be but is not anymore" thing during the GameCube ages. We all know what happened after that. Regarding Valve, its controller may or may not represent a lot of things. But until it defines at least one generation, we can't say anything. Other than that, what have we seen from them that is so innovative? EDIT: Also, "resort to lawyering"? It's not like they are suing the guy. They are just politely letting him know that what he is doing is illegal.
Keyframe 13y ago
Those are two different things though. Success and innovation. I was referring to innovation alone. Success is a whole other beast and I am sure it can be debated to great lengths. Especially in this context where it's not a zero-sum game. In order for Nintendo to be successful Valve doesn't have to lose and vice versa. They have to successfully capture whatever the market they are after. Is it the same market? I doubt it. Is there some overlap. Sure. The future of console gaming is Valve I don't bet because I am strongly opposed, for personal reasons, against gambling. We can bet on proverbial 'I told you so' if you will. Even though I haven't alluded that I think Valve isn't the future of console gaming in any way, now that I think about it I am sure it won't be. There's a possibility they will be a major player in console market, but I don't see that happening any time soon. I am quite sure they will disrupt PC gaming market once again... console gaming? no. So if you will, we can bet on that and come back to this 5 years from now for an 'I told you so' moment :) PS As long as I remember (and I remember back to the dinosaurs age) Nintendo has been regarded as 'soon to be dead'. Same with PC gaming. It just didn't happen over and over again.
- sillysaurus2 13y ago
  Even though I haven't alluded that I think Valve isn't the future of console gaming in any way, now that I think about it I am sure it won't be. There's a possibility they will be a major player in console market, but I don't see that happening any time soon. I am quite sure they will disrupt PC gaming market once again... console gaming? no. So if you will, we can bet on that and come back to this 5 years from now for an 'I told you so' moment :) You're on! :)
- sebkomianos 13y ago
  Someone make a "I told you so" tool so we are reminded of such HN debates? :D