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An interesting reply. But doesn't seem to address anything about the question I posed and more an attempt to throw a positive spin on PUA. I mean, what you sug
by justathrow2k 13y ago
An interesting reply. But doesn't seem to address anything about the question I posed and more an attempt to throw a positive spin on PUA.
I mean, what you suggest here is that people are manipulative and sad before they become involved in the PUA community, and that the joining of said community is an attempt to free them of these negative traits?
I get confused by this logic because as far as I can tell the PUA community endorses manipulative and dishonest behavior, so what you're suggesting is that these lonely, manipulative, people, can transcend their manipulative behavior through more manipulative behavior.
- auctiontheory 13y agoas I can tell the PUA community endorses manipulative and dishonest behavior I haven't seen anything "manipulative and dishonest" on Tynan's blog, nor in his books. Well, at some level everything we do to influence another person is "manipulative," but that's such a broad definition as to be useless.
- parasubvert 13y agoSome people seem to be able to learn how to socially interact on their own. Others need coaching. Is it dishonest if it is coached? All social interactions at some level of depth eventually involve pursuasion of a sort. The question is when does that become unethical?
- justathrow2k 13y ago"All social interactions at some level of depth eventually involve pursuasion of a sort. The question is when does that become unethical?" Truly A question we all must answer for ourselves.
- mindcrime 13y agoI get confused by this logic because as far as I can tell the PUA community endorses manipulative and dishonest behavior, so A subset of "the PUA community" do that, but there is nothing inherent about "learning PUA" that implies any dishonesty or manipulation. More than anything, it's about gaining confidence, learning some basic etiquette, grooming essentials, and a little bit of other stuff. It's Pareto's Law in action... 80% of your improvement at meeting women comes from 20% of the "stuff" that could potentially learn from PUAs. Better posture, better clothes, a fresh haircut, smiling more, and not being scared of, or intimidated by, beautiful women, is the heart of PUA-dom. And to be quite frank, these days, the "PUA community" has really outgrown it's roots and become the "male self-help and improvement community". Lurk on many "PUA" forums and you'll find guys talking more about how to start businesses and make more money, than the ones swapping "routines" or whatever.