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He says room service is "free", which suggests that he's not tipping. Someone pointed out down thread that this guy's a pickup artist (http://www.pualingo.com/
by sanskritabelt 13y ago
He says room service is "free", which suggests that he's not tipping. Someone pointed out down thread that this guy's a pickup artist (http://www.pualingo.com/pua-profiles/herbal-tynan/ http://www.pualingo.com/pua-profiles/herbal-tynan/), which is empirically correlated with "asshole", which in turn is correlated with "does not tip".
- levosmetalo 13y agoYou realize that this "tipping culture" is not that prevalent outside the US? In many countries, especially in Europe, service and stuff is paid market wages, and there's no reason to tip by default, just when you are extremely satisfied with the service. Does the fact that I didn't know about "tipping culture" when I was first time in the US makes me an asshole?
- justathrow2k 13y agoYou answered your own question tho, didn't you? No, it makes you someone who comes from a different culture, and I think it would be safe to assume that the person to whom you're responding would agree.
- jakejake 13y agoTipping and basic etiquette (particularly involving dining) is one of the fundamental bits of culture everyone should research when traveling to another country. If you are in the US and received good service, but left crappy or zero tips then yes, you definitely leave a negative impression of yourself. Nobody will understand why you left a bad tip or just think "oh, he's a foreigner, he doesn't understand." They will just think you stiffed them. Or they will perhaps think - "oh he's from country X - they must all be cheap assholes there. I hope I don't get any more tables with people from that country." Would it not be the same if I visited your country and was rude or insulting regarding some very basic and obvious part of your culture?
- auctiontheory 13y agoWould it not be the same if I visited your country and was rude or insulting regarding some very basic and obvious part of your culture? People may differ about what is "obvious." Something that doesn't exist in my country and that I've never heard of ... is not going to be "obvious" to me.
- wpietri 13y agoIf only there were some way people going to new countries could learn the basics about where they're going. I was thinking maybe an app, but connectivity is hard when traveling, so I'm thinking maybe a book. Sort of like a FAQ or a new user's guide. Maybe we could call it a guide-book?
- jakejake 13y agohttp://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g191-c3541/United-States:Customs.Habits.And.Etiquette.html http://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g191-c3541/United-States:C... Bullet point #1. I would consider that fairly obvious. If you can't manage to stumble across #1 cultural tip then you obviously have not done much research. You shouldn't expect people to excuse your ignorance of their culture. That goes for any country - not just the US.
- redthrowaway 13y ago>"oh he's from country X - they must all be cheap assholes there. I hope I don't get any more tables with people from that country." This is generally what happens. I have a few friends who are bartenders/servers and they loathe Australians.
- stephen_g 13y agoSorry on behalf of them! I knew about the tipping culture because my grandfather was a general manager for a branch of a US based multinational company and had to travel there a lot, and my father had traveled a bit to use scientific instruments there (like synchrotrons). But to the average Australian - we have a very decent minimum wage and ridiculously good penalty rates (like, work a public holiday and you get double time or double time and a half). Tipping is just something that is non-existent, and I think people just don't expect that the US would treat people so much worse than we do...
- masterofmasters 13y agoWow, this is a pretty strong attack, for something that is likely just a miswording. Cruise passengers pay an automatic gratuity at the end of a trip. Much of this goes to your room attendant. So it's "free" in the sense that it's essentially included in the total price.
- veemjeem 13y agoIsn't your conclusion a bit of a stretch? Anyone who is a pickup artist is an asshole, and every asshole doesn't tip? Tynan is actually a pretty nice guy if you meet him in person. If I found an asshole that does tip, would that destroy your theory?
- sanskritabelt 13y agoAll PUAs are assholes. Not all assholes are PUAs.
- csallen 13y ago1. That first statement isn't true, and you will never come close to proving it is. It's a broad generalization. 2. The comment you're responding to says, "Anyone who is a pickup artist is an asshole", which is synonymous with "All PUAs are assholes", so you haven't contradicted his point.
- VBprogrammer 13y agoAn interesting thought experiment would be to consider what you'd think of a female pick up artist.
- ceol 13y agoProbably the same way, but being a female pickup artist doesn't carry all of that "constantly objectified in media" and "the subject of a steady stream of slut-shaming (but if she doesn't put out she's totally a bitch)" baggage that's there when a man is trying to manipulate a woman into having sex with him.
- justathrow2k 13y agoIf you're a pickup artist doesn't this imply a certain degree of dishonesty and manipulation? Not sure these are things a nice person engages in.
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- michaelmcmillan 13y agoThat must be the worst argument I have seen in a long time.
- DanBC 13y agoOn cruise ships you tend to tip the staff at the end of the voyage.
- monksy 13y agoThe fact that he is/was [if you read his blog .. thats "was"] a PUA invalidates his experience/findings/credibility?
- auctiontheory 13y ago(1) I have personally met Tynan, and he's not an asshole. In fact, he's quite sweet in person. Even if you read his blog, there's nothing assholish about it. He doesn't lie. He does his own thing. (2) People who generalize about an entire class of people being "assholes" ... maybe should look in the mirror.
- wpietri 13y agoGeneralizing about groups can be problematic. However, not so when you're generalizing based on what the group has in common. The whole PUA thing is about manipulating vulnerable people so you can have sex with them. It's definitionally assholish. Assuming that a given PUA is an asshole is like assuming an Englishman speaks English. It's not a perfect correlation, but it's certainly the way to bet.
- parasubvert 13y agoOr, perhaps the whole PUA thing is about offering a list of techniques of social interaction that some people intuitively aren't born with, and need actual coaching. Neil Strauss documents this pretty well in his "The Game" books about how he fell into pickup culture. Such techniques of course can be abused by assholes against the vulnerable as well.
- ceol 13y agoNobody's buying it, man. PUA techniques are for the socially awkward the same way blown glass pipes are for tobacco smokers. What people claim and what the vast majority use it for are two different things. All you have to do is look at the OP's profile to find this picture.[0] That sure doesn't look like some poor bloke who has trouble talking to people. [0]: (slightly NSFW) http://www.pualingo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/herbal-tynan-pua.jpg http://www.pualingo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/herbal-ty...
- wpietri 13y agoYeah. A fine example is this article about how a well-known pick-up artist upset that a country with good social welfare programs makes it harder for him to manipulate women into letting him fuck them: http://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/cockblocked-by-redistribution http://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/cockblocked-by-redist... Also, excellent analogy.
- enko 13y agoI am annoyed with this comment. You do not seem to realise that there are many parallels between the "PUA" community and the startup community. Both are about people striving to meet their goals. You should read "The Game", by Neil Strauss. He documents the process of becoming a pickup artist, the people he met, the stages he went through. And as you read it, you will realise something - the only surefire way to becoming a successful PUA is to improve yourself, to become the best version of yourself, and at the end of it all, that's what these guys were trying to do. Yeah, there are assholes. There's always assholes. But at the end of the day, this so-called "PUA" culture is about turning yourself into the best version of yourself you can be. And isn't that what all us startup types are trying to do? Rising to a challenge? Stepping into those shoes? Pushing ourselves beyond what we thought possible? Closing the deal? There are more parallels than you think. Read that book. And don't be so eager to judge people. They're more like you than you realise.
- prutschman 13y agoOne big difference between PUA culture and startup culture is that the former is generally more expressly proud of its misogyny.
- enko 13y agoOn what bizarro world do you live where guys striving and taking efforts to improve themselves so that can appeal more to women counts as "misogyny"?
- quinnchr 13y agoThe real world? http://www.seductionscience.com/2010/negging-women/ http://www.seductionscience.com/2010/negging-women/
- enko 13y agoCongratulations on discovering human psychology. I don't have a blog post at hand exemplifying how bosses "neg" potential hires to get them at a lower rate, but I assure you, it is a Thing. "Negging" is a negotiating tactic and you have failed to show how it is linked to misogyny in any way, shape or form.
- rdl 13y agoI think you tip essentially a constant amount t on cruises. Room service is about as free as dining in the main room. The only time I would tip exceptionally is if someone went really above and beyond, or did something against policy, and in a lot of customer support cases, a cash tip separately is a better solution there. Or, if it is just exceptional service , calling the employee out by name to management a few layers above.
- tynan 13y agoAuthor of the post, confirmed asshole, here. In most cruise ships you do not tip for anything until the end, and it is a flat rate. Enjoy.