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> You know G+ is an abysmal failure when the Page & Co has to force it on users of google's other services. C'mon bro, what gives? They literally have been exp

> You know G+ is an abysmal failure when the Page & Co has to force it on users of google's other services. C'mon bro, what gives? They literally have been explaining this for nearly a year. There's no such thing as a G+ account and a 'Google Account'. They are the same things. I think if anything what this has proven is that you cannot rely on your customers to read the slightest thing from you, but if you change how they expect things to work, they will get incredibly angry even if the service is totally free. Even if you are IMPROVING the service you will get anger. Moral of the story: Don't have many customers.

ancarda 13y ago
No. Moral of the story is "Don't fuck around". I like my YouTube account. I don't like Google+. Stop forcing it on me. I'd be happy with a YouTube that doesn't let me comment but let's me upload videos and everything else I'm doing now. Instead, I'm packing up and leaving. The irony is your moral might just work. Google will end up with less and less customers if they keep behaving in this way. Only people willing to tolerate Google+ will be left. Maybe that's what they want.
- twistedpair 13y ago
  I guess you're not on FB either, or you'd be upset that half the websites you join want you to sign up with FB Connect. Similar with Apple's services. Single shot services are growing few and far between on the web.
  - lmm 13y ago
    If a site requires facebook, I won't use it. If a site where I previously had an account forces me to shift to signing in with facebook, you bet your ass I'm leaving.
- hahainternet 13y ago
  > I like my YouTube account. I don't like Google+. Stop forcing it on me. I'd be happy with a YouTube that doesn't let me comment but let's me upload videos and everything else I'm doing now. Instead, I'm packing up and leaving. Literally nobody cares. > The irony is your moral might just work. Google will end up with less and less customers if they keep behaving in this way. Only people willing to tolerate Google+ will be left. Maybe that's what they want. I hope so! I can only imagine if Youtube was as full of interesting content as G+, and not so filled with people whining that a terrible terrible system isn't being kept soley for their own preferences.
  - ancarda 13y ago
    Is this how you treat your customers?
    - hahainternet 13y ago
      For the most part yes. There are always naysayers, always conservatives. If you listen to them, no progress can ever be made. You have to decide on a course and take it. Ultimately, if integration with Google ruins Youtube, then a competitor will eviscerate them. If it ultimately improves it, the criticisms will fade away.
      - MrZongle2 13y ago
        "There are always naysayers, always conservatives. If you listen to them, no progress can ever be made." Did it occur to you that perhaps some of these "conservatives" learned a painful lesson the type of which you have not yet encountered?
        hahainternet 13y ago
        No doubt, but my point is that no matter the quality or validity of the change, some will always oppose it.
    - SeanLuke 13y ago
      Wait, you actually paid money to Google for Youtube? You aren't the customer. You are the product being sold.
      - bookwormAT 13y ago
        Nonesense. He's the customer.
ringdabell 13y ago
> There's no such thing as a G+ account and a 'Google Account'. They are the same things Thats not the case if you registered for a google service (i.e. gmail) pre G+, which I imagine includes a TON of users. If you fall into this category (like me) and don't have a G+ account (i.e. a "Public Profile), you get spammed like crazy and constantly asked to join up. And the service isn't free. I'm paying for it with my user information. Let's be real, Google isn't some savior upon high blessing us with "free" services from the goodness of their hearts. Be honest. btw I'm a huge fan of Google, I just find their hyprocracy of "we're not a cunning business trying to maximize profits, we're a social enterprise saving humanity, that just happens to make money" annoying and insulting. We need to get rid of this narrative that creators = god and users = proles that don't have the "right" to complain.
- hahainternet 13y ago
  > Thats not the case if you registered for a google service (i.e. gmail) pre G+, which I imagine includes a TON of users. If you fall into this category (like me) and don't have a G+ account (i.e. a "Public Profile), you get spammed like crazy and constantly asked to join up. Right, because they're amalgamating the accounts. They've been telling people this forever. > And the service isn't free. I'm paying for it with my user information No you're not. It's free. > We need to get rid of this narrative that creators = god and users = proles that don't have the "right" to complain. Who said anything about creators. They /OWN/ Youtube. They have made it /VERY/ clear what is happening. If you want to ignore that that's up to you, but you can't turn around and act as if it's some inexplicable weird move that makes no sense when they have detailed every step of it.
  - ringdabell 13y ago
    >No you're not. It's free. Nothing is free bro. Business 101. >Who said anything about creators. They /OWN/ Youtube. They have made it /VERY/ clear what is happening. If you want to ignore that that's up to you, but you can't turn around and act as if it's some inexplicable weird move that makes no sense when they have detailed every step of it. No one is saying its a weird move. I'm just arguing that the WAY they are doing it is extremely annoying and not very user-friendly. You shouldn't have to have a public profile or be forced to share your comment on youtube. It's obviously advantageous from a google perspective, but not very user-friendly. The value of G+ should incentive the user to want to share their comment. Google shouldn't FORCE you to do it. That's not very friendly/flexible.
kybernetyk 13y ago
> even if the service is totally free In my experience they get especially angry if the service is free. :)
6d0debc071 13y ago
> They literally have been explaining this for nearly a year. There's no such thing as a G+ account and a 'Google Account'. They are the same things. Now, yes, and some people don't like that. Of course it's 'free' for whatever that's worth - and you can do whatever you want. Just don't expect that people are going to be thrilled. Free doesn't buy you free approval.

ancarda 13y ago

No. Moral of the story is "Don't fuck around". I like my YouTube account. I don't like Google+. Stop forcing it on me. I'd be happy with a YouTube that doesn't let me comment but let's me upload videos and everything else I'm doing now. Instead, I'm packing up and leaving. The irony is your moral might just work. Google will end up with less and less customers if they keep behaving in this way. Only people willing to tolerate Google+ will be left. Maybe that's what they want.

twistedpair 13y ago
I guess you're not on FB either, or you'd be upset that half the websites you join want you to sign up with FB Connect. Similar with Apple's services. Single shot services are growing few and far between on the web.
- lmm 13y ago
  If a site requires facebook, I won't use it. If a site where I previously had an account forces me to shift to signing in with facebook, you bet your ass I'm leaving.
hahainternet 13y ago
> I like my YouTube account. I don't like Google+. Stop forcing it on me. I'd be happy with a YouTube that doesn't let me comment but let's me upload videos and everything else I'm doing now. Instead, I'm packing up and leaving. Literally nobody cares. > The irony is your moral might just work. Google will end up with less and less customers if they keep behaving in this way. Only people willing to tolerate Google+ will be left. Maybe that's what they want. I hope so! I can only imagine if Youtube was as full of interesting content as G+, and not so filled with people whining that a terrible terrible system isn't being kept soley for their own preferences.
- ancarda 13y ago
  Is this how you treat your customers?
  - hahainternet 13y ago
    For the most part yes. There are always naysayers, always conservatives. If you listen to them, no progress can ever be made. You have to decide on a course and take it. Ultimately, if integration with Google ruins Youtube, then a competitor will eviscerate them. If it ultimately improves it, the criticisms will fade away.
    - MrZongle2 13y ago
      "There are always naysayers, always conservatives. If you listen to them, no progress can ever be made." Did it occur to you that perhaps some of these "conservatives" learned a painful lesson the type of which you have not yet encountered?
      - hahainternet 13y ago
        No doubt, but my point is that no matter the quality or validity of the change, some will always oppose it.
  - SeanLuke 13y ago
    Wait, you actually paid money to Google for Youtube? You aren't the customer. You are the product being sold.
    - bookwormAT 13y ago
      Nonesense. He's the customer.

ringdabell 13y ago

> There's no such thing as a G+ account and a 'Google Account'. They are the same things Thats not the case if you registered for a google service (i.e. gmail) pre G+, which I imagine includes a TON of users. If you fall into this category (like me) and don't have a G+ account (i.e. a "Public Profile), you get spammed like crazy and constantly asked to join up. And the service isn't free. I'm paying for it with my user information. Let's be real, Google isn't some savior upon high blessing us with "free" services from the goodness of their hearts. Be honest. btw I'm a huge fan of Google, I just find their hyprocracy of "we're not a cunning business trying to maximize profits, we're a social enterprise saving humanity, that just happens to make money" annoying and insulting. We need to get rid of this narrative that creators = god and users = proles that don't have the "right" to complain.

hahainternet 13y ago
> Thats not the case if you registered for a google service (i.e. gmail) pre G+, which I imagine includes a TON of users. If you fall into this category (like me) and don't have a G+ account (i.e. a "Public Profile), you get spammed like crazy and constantly asked to join up. Right, because they're amalgamating the accounts. They've been telling people this forever. > And the service isn't free. I'm paying for it with my user information No you're not. It's free. > We need to get rid of this narrative that creators = god and users = proles that don't have the "right" to complain. Who said anything about creators. They /OWN/ Youtube. They have made it /VERY/ clear what is happening. If you want to ignore that that's up to you, but you can't turn around and act as if it's some inexplicable weird move that makes no sense when they have detailed every step of it.
- ringdabell 13y ago
  >No you're not. It's free. Nothing is free bro. Business 101. >Who said anything about creators. They /OWN/ Youtube. They have made it /VERY/ clear what is happening. If you want to ignore that that's up to you, but you can't turn around and act as if it's some inexplicable weird move that makes no sense when they have detailed every step of it. No one is saying its a weird move. I'm just arguing that the WAY they are doing it is extremely annoying and not very user-friendly. You shouldn't have to have a public profile or be forced to share your comment on youtube. It's obviously advantageous from a google perspective, but not very user-friendly. The value of G+ should incentive the user to want to share their comment. Google shouldn't FORCE you to do it. That's not very friendly/flexible.

kybernetyk 13y ago

> even if the service is totally free In my experience they get especially angry if the service is free. :)

6d0debc071 13y ago

> They literally have been explaining this for nearly a year. There's no such thing as a G+ account and a 'Google Account'. They are the same things. Now, yes, and some people don't like that. Of course it's 'free' for whatever that's worth - and you can do whatever you want. Just don't expect that people are going to be thrilled. Free doesn't buy you free approval.