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I will never support this idea. This is kind of thinking is extremely nationalistic: I am entitled to free money because I was born in XYZ. On top of this, thi
by kfk 13y ago
I will never support this idea. This is kind of thinking is extremely nationalistic: I am entitled to free money because I was born in XYZ.
On top of this, this idea has very weak economics fundamentals, there is no prove that growth comes from redistributing wealth. There is plenty of prove growth comes from innovation and innovation comes from people actually working.
We are in denial. The whole Europe is in denial. We don't realize the only way out of this mess is working more and cutting public spending. Instead we propose the exact opposite.
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- kfk 13y agoAnd let's not forget how racist we (Europe) become when it comes to immigration from these poor countries. I have a proposal, let's open the gates of Europe to everybody that doesn't have a criminal record.
- JanezStupar 13y agoI admire your idealism. However you forget that poor countries have high levels of corruption which makes any kinds of records they keep dubious at best. Poor countries will have to commit on working out their issues on their own. We must help them, but there is no way we can do it for them. On a positive note, global trends show that poverty is constantly decreasing and that equality is rising. Slowly but steadily.
- kfk 13y agoHow can you let them grow if in Europe we strongly protect things like agriculture or we make things artificially expensive with copyrights and the like. I mean, what can these people do?
- JanezStupar 13y agoFirst order of business is letting go of tribalism and associated cronyism. Along with that we can help them with know how and some funding. The largest hurdle imho is that everything needs to be done from the ground up. You cannot rely on their leaders to do any good as they are all pretty messed up. Todays leaders need to be slowly replaced with more competent and ethical people. Which is obviously super hard as the talent pool is pretty shallow in this day and age.
- JackFr 13y agoIf equality is the goal, this proposal looks like a good way to make Europe poorer FTW.
- berdario 13y agoI agree with you, especially on open borders, but: a system like this may actually mean to cut spending on a lot of bureucracy... and its aim it's probably not growth, but rather a decent living standard for every person
- dllthomas 13y ago"this idea has very weak economics fundamentals" I'll take Milton Friedman's word on that over yours.
- RivieraKid 13y ago> This is kind of thinking is extremely nationalistic: I am entitled to free money because I was born in XYZ. It's just a technical change in the way we redistribute wealth. Do you think that wealth redistribution is wrong? There are many arguments suggesting that zero wealth redistribution is not the optimum. > there is no prove that growth comes from redistributing wealth I'm convinced that wealth redistribution leads to higher aggregate utility. Whether it leads to higher nominal growth, I don't know. > Instead we propose the exact opposite. Basic income would make public spending more effective.
- anoncowherd 13y agoGood to see someone thinking for himself here.
- kfk 13y agoIf I were thinking for myself I would support this idea and then go on basic income for life, I can live with very little, so why not?
- anoncowherd 13y agoYou seem to be talking about "pursuing personal gain", whereas I meant thinking for yourself in contrast to group-think / herd-mentality.
- dclowd9901 13y agoIt does seem strange, like we've given up trying to bring people along on the unstoppable train of progress, and are now content with simply funding people to be alive, while those who were lucky enough to be taught drive and determination real the most massive benefits of this world. True wealth is discipline and knowledge. We should be figuring out how to teach people to reach for their dreams and also figure out how to sustain themselves (and others who share those dreams) through their work. Because truly outstanding things in this world are almost always rewarded.
- sharemywin 13y agoWhy is economic growth the goal over exploitation. You say it's nationalistic but why should what family I'm born into give me any more freedom/advantage. Completely changes society. Automation happens alot faster in this scenario. Fast food dispears why would someone wait on another if tehy can survive without being someones servant?