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There is at least one case of character assassination that we can with near certainty attribute to the US surveillance apparatus. Eliot Spitzer was Governor of
by legutierr 13y ago
There is at least one case of character assassination that we can with near certainty attribute to the US surveillance apparatus.
Eliot Spitzer was Governor of New York, former AG of New York, famous gadfly of Wall Street, and a top contender before the 2008 election to be Obama's pick for Attorney General, when it was discovered that he was paying prostitutes.
The explanation as to how this information was discovered is as follows: he paid for these "services" using a wire transfer to the madam, who had created an "anonymous" corporation to collect payments, as a convenience to her wealthy and famous clients. According to Wikipedia, "The investigation of Spitzer was reportedly initiated after North Fork Bank reported suspicious transactions to the Treasury Department's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network as required by the Bank Secrecy Act, which was enhanced by Patriot Act provisions, enacted to combat terrorist activity such as money-laundering." [1]
Every bank is required by the Patriot Act to file "Suspicious Activity Reports" regarding certain activity to FinCEN, which reports must be kept secret from the person being reported upon. SARs are typically filed electronically, and then centralized in FinCEN review centers, where patterns are analyzed and information is distributed to law enforcement personnel. Spritzer was being monitored because one of the chief criteria used in determining whether a SAR should be filed is whether an individual being monitored is a "Politically Exposed Person" or PEP (that acronym is actually used actively). [2]
In other words, by explicit provision of the Patriot Act and US DoT regulations, all financial activities of politicians must be monitored and reported on in secret by financial institutions.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want the US Attorney General to be someone who frequents call girls. It was Spitzer's own self-destructiveness that created the opportunity for this take down. But you have to ask, if it weren't for his aggressive anti-Wall St. stance, would he have been targeted? Perhaps he wouldn't have been. There are certainly similar transgressions committed by less "problematic" politicians that never leak. For instance, even after the whole Spitzer hullabaloo, we don't know who any of this madam's other clients were, even though it was reported that some were famous politicos.
What's most significant here, though, is that we don't need to speculate about how this power can work to the advantage of certain interest groups.
In this case, broad-spectrum surveillance may have resulted in Eric Holder becoming AG at the height of the financial crisis, instead of the one man perhaps most qualified by experience and temperament to prosecute financial crimes, Eliot Spitzer.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer_prostitution_scandal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer_prostitution_scan...
[2] http://www.sowal.com/bb/showthread.php/21466-Unintended-Consequences-Spitzer-caught-by-Patriot-Act http://www.sowal.com/bb/showthread.php/21466-Unintended-Cons...
- yummyfajitas 13y agoBut you have to ask, if it weren't for his aggressive anti-Wall St. stance, would he have been targeted? No, he wouldn't have been. That's silly. Plenty of people have been busted for prostitution without being politicians. For example, NY Attorney General Eliot Spitzer busted a whole bunch of people who weren't politicians: http://www.artharris.com/2008/03/11/bald-truth-exclusive-ag-spitzer-busted-hookers/ http://www.artharris.com/2008/03/11/bald-truth-exclusive-ag-... http://nypost.com/2008/03/11/bane-of-the-brothels-is-hoist-by-his-own-petard/ http://nypost.com/2008/03/11/bane-of-the-brothels-is-hoist-b... As for special surveillance of PEPs, sounds like a good thing to me. Can you think of a reason that our politicians should not be subject to extra scrutiny?
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- throwaway2048 13y agoThe problem with your post is exactly why selective prosecution is the very embodiment of an oppressive regime. After all they DID break the law, and they SHOULD be punished right? Who could argue with that. Meanwhile half of Washington is doing the same thing, with the full knowledge of people like the NSA, and the facts are sure to come out if they take a meaningful stand against their agenda. The example of the soviet election is also an excellent one. They knew every bit of information about every candidate, and merely had to expose the ones that didn't toe the line properly as the criminals or terrible people they were. Just like every single other person ever, they did something illegal or unsavory at some point in their life. Make no aspersions, the kind of information the NSA holds is complete and total political power.
- FrojoS 13y agoBest post in the thread. This is exactly the problem. Now, an interesting question is, what happens if everyone knew almost everything? This is the alternative scenario. If the end of privacy is more ubiquitous and democratic, the power of the secret services would shrink. It might lead to a change of our laws and social norms to something that more realistically represents our reality. I'm not optimistic that this would be a good or even better world, but this is the best argument I've heard from the people who are not afraid of the end of privacy. I would count Mark Zuckerberg and Eric Schmidt into that group, but also many of my friends. Which norms and laws would change? I can imagine that e.g. the use of certain drugs like cocaine and sexual behaviors like sado maso and yes prostitution would be the first to be tolerated by the majority. In some societies, that is already the case. A more difficult to swallow reality might be pedophily. I'm quite sure that child abuse would always be unacceptable but simply being pedophilic might be accepted as normal for a certain percentage of the population.