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Are you suggesting that Leafs and Volts never collide with road debris?

by Pitarou 13y ago

enraged_camel 13y ago
I don't know how you can read the parent and conclude that they are suggesting that.
- danso 13y ago
  This is what the parent says: > The comparisons to the Leaf and Volt are meaningless if none of those vehicles have been in similar accidents. You can't just point to numbers and imply that a lack of reported fires means they're safer. So...the question is...well, why should we assume that the problem is underreporting...that it's just Tesla's that are getting all the attention? That's not even true: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/22/business/tsunami-reveals-durability-of-nissans-leaf.html http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/22/business/tsunami-reveals-d... > DETROIT — Nissan inadvertently gained some valuable insight into the durability of its electric car, the Leaf, when about two dozen of them were destroyed in the tsunami that ravaged Japan in March. > > None of the cars caught fire, and their batteries remained fully intact, shielded by an airtight steel exoskeleton and two other layers of protection that surround the 660-pound packs. “Considering how they were tossed around and crushed, we think that is a very good indication of the safety performance of that vehicle,” said Bob Yakushi, the director of product safety for Nissan North America. Nissan’s decision to encase the Leaf’s battery in steel may help explain why federal safety regulators investigating postcrash fire risks in the Chevrolet Volt do not have the same concerns about the Leaf. General Motors packages the Volt’s battery cells on a T-shaped steel tray with a plastic cover.
- Pitarou 13y ago
  I took "similar accidents" to mean "collisions with road debris", because that's what triggered both Tesla fires reported in the US.
Natsu 13y ago
They might appear safer given the available evidence, but if it's a small enough difference, we will need more data to discern the difference with any reliability. We should expect more fires given enough time. I wonder for how many they will continue to report on every single one?

Are you suggesting that Leafs and Volts never collide with road debris?

by Pitarou 13y ago

Are you suggesting that Leafs and Volts never collide with road debris?

enraged_camel 13y ago

I don't know how you can read the parent and conclude that they are suggesting that.

danso 13y ago
This is what the parent says: > The comparisons to the Leaf and Volt are meaningless if none of those vehicles have been in similar accidents. You can't just point to numbers and imply that a lack of reported fires means they're safer. So...the question is...well, why should we assume that the problem is underreporting...that it's just Tesla's that are getting all the attention? That's not even true: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/22/business/tsunami-reveals-durability-of-nissans-leaf.html http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/22/business/tsunami-reveals-d... > DETROIT — Nissan inadvertently gained some valuable insight into the durability of its electric car, the Leaf, when about two dozen of them were destroyed in the tsunami that ravaged Japan in March. > > None of the cars caught fire, and their batteries remained fully intact, shielded by an airtight steel exoskeleton and two other layers of protection that surround the 660-pound packs. “Considering how they were tossed around and crushed, we think that is a very good indication of the safety performance of that vehicle,” said Bob Yakushi, the director of product safety for Nissan North America. Nissan’s decision to encase the Leaf’s battery in steel may help explain why federal safety regulators investigating postcrash fire risks in the Chevrolet Volt do not have the same concerns about the Leaf. General Motors packages the Volt’s battery cells on a T-shaped steel tray with a plastic cover.
Pitarou 13y ago
I took "similar accidents" to mean "collisions with road debris", because that's what triggered both Tesla fires reported in the US.

Natsu 13y ago

They might appear safer given the available evidence, but if it's a small enough difference, we will need more data to discern the difference with any reliability. We should expect more fires given enough time. I wonder for how many they will continue to report on every single one?