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Oh my lord. Thanks for breaking the fragile new trust I had in Microsoft's improved embracing of the web.. They actually made it so that you now have to test an
by SchizoDuckie 13y ago
Oh my lord. Thanks for breaking the fragile new trust I had in Microsoft's improved embracing of the web.. They actually made it so that you now have to test and optimize for every IE version out there.
- gisenberg 13y agoThe IE vision of embracing the web is being incredibly dogmatic about "you shouldn't have to do anything special for IE" while simultaneously introducing a slew of IE-specific awful.
- at-fates-hands 13y agoThis is what drives me crazy with MS. They really improved IE this time around and actually fixed my biggest beef, which is the lack of decent web developer tools. So yeah, they fixed that, then once I started using the tools, I suddenly realized they completely stripped out the Document Mode/Browser Mode so now you have to figure out some other way of testing old versions. Oh, but wait! Browser Mode is now back in, not in an update mind you, but only available in Windows 8.1. Seriously, WTF!?
- gisenberg 13y agoFor my taste, the Web Developer Tools haven't improved at all. What have you found that is an improvement?
- at-fates-hands 13y agoI think the big thing is they're very similar to Firebug and Chrome's developer tools now. Before it took an act of congress to change CSS, HTML and debug JS. Now, it's very similar to other browser's. You can see the differences in the UI here: http://net.tutsplus.com/articles/the-new-ie11-f12-tools/ http://net.tutsplus.com/articles/the-new-ie11-f12-tools/
- gisenberg 13y agoEven looking at the side-by-side shots of DOM Explorer, I have a hard time telling which one is new and which one is old. The parts that are most important to my work have largely gone unchanged, and the debugging tools I use most from Chrome and Firebug are nowhere to be found.