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I cringe at the thought that some people consider this to be startup-relevant news (or even hacker-relevant news, for that matter). I flagged this submission,

by Toshio 13y ago

I cringe at the thought that some people consider this to be startup-relevant news (or even hacker-relevant news, for that matter). I flagged this submission, I hope the usual complainers understand why. If you don't, by all means, please elaborate.

skrebbel 13y ago
Agree, but then the same should hold for all the 'samsung beats apple in the cell phone market' nonsense.
- Toshio 13y ago
  I don't follow the Samsung-vs-Apple news, so I don't understand its relevance to the topic at hand.
  - xerophtye 13y ago
    But you do follow news regarding Nokia don't you?
sz4kerto 13y ago
I believe the fact that you can collaborate on documents online with a suite that offers you quite high level of compatibility with legacy documents is relevant. Also, a big player in the software industry implemented something significant. It's probably much more relevant to hackers that how important role India plays in controlling AIDS (or, for that matter, the daily BTC/Tesla/etc. posts).
- Toshio 13y ago
  Huh. I don't follow news about India/AIDS or BTC, but Tesla is a startup IIRC.
  - DanBC 13y ago
    > I don't follow news about India/AIDS Are you honestly saying that you cannot see how smart people with excellent computing could possibly do anything to help with significant problems such as HIV/AIDS or world hunger or food insecurity? Are you really only interested in news about the latest cat-photo startup? (I'm not dismissing those web sites. People have fun, and winning a start-up lottery gives that person money to spend on good science.) > Roving engine of chaos and snide remarks. That's not a good thing, especially here.
    - Toshio 13y ago
      > Are you honestly saying that [...] It looks like you are putting words in my mouth. All I'm saying is that I follow a subset of news that's related to tech and startup. Which means I don't have an informed opinion on: > how smart people with excellent computing could possibly do anything to help with significant problems such as HIV/AIDS or world hunger or food insecurity or: > the latest cat-photo startup
pfortuny 13y ago
The fact that the most used office suite has added one of the most relevant features which may make it interesting as an alternative to google docs may be somewhat relevant to startups (they may be interested in using the 'most used office suite' again...). But obviously, you are entitled to your own decisions.
- Toshio 13y ago
  > they may be interested in using the 'most used office suite' again Interesting twist, but I disagree. If anything, startups would be interested in disrupting, not aiding, a staid, old, established player's contraptions.
  - pfortuny 13y ago
    I mean 'using' as in 'using a pencil, using paper, using the toilette', not as in 'showing them to the public'. A startup needs infrastructure apart from their product.
DanBC 13y ago
> I flagged this submission, I hope the usual complainers understand why. Perhaps you could explain why you think this is flag-worthy? I could understand that you might find it unimportant, or dull. But you've flagged it, and declared that you flagged it, which suggests you have some strongly negative feeling toward it appearing here. I'd be interested to see where you'd put this on a scale with all the other stories that get subbed to HN.
- Toshio 13y ago
  > "strongly negative feeling toward it appearing here" This isn't about feelings, I'm just adding a data point to HN ranking algorithm. The reason I enjoy being on HN is because of this community's mindset of "let's disrupt the big, established, old players". Seen from that angle, this submission is irrelevant because it's not about disrupting a big player, it's about perpetuating a harmful monopoly.
  - codeka 13y ago
    But how can you expect to "disrupt the big, established, old players" if you're closing your eyes to what they're actually doing?
    - DanBC 13y ago
      It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle. -- widely attributed to Sun Tzu https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sun_Tzu#Ch._3 https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sun_Tzu#Ch._3
- killme2 13y ago
  Well, a glance at the first few pages of Toshio's comments on Microsoft should explain the real intentions here which seem to be quite different from the stated reason of 'it doesn't belong on HN'. https://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/comments&q=toshio+microsoft&start=0 https://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/comments&q=toshio+mi... Not to mention that the HN guidelines clearly state that if you have flagged a story, don't also post that you've flagged it. I guess the comment's goal is to turn the conversation into a flamewar so that the flamewar detector takes the story off front page, and to derail the comments away from the story at hand. And looks like the ploy is working, this is the biggest thread in the story comments.
rahoulb 13y ago
Not relevant if your startup never deals with any other companies; a huge number of which work entirely in MS Office.
xerophtye 13y ago
You really have something against Microsoft don't you? It's kind of weird that from the dozens of posts that appear on HN on a daily basis, most(more than 80%) of your comments are on posts about Microsoft or nokia. (and even when the post isn't about them, your comment is). Oh and you actually do submit stuff about Microsoft, but they are all Anti-Microsoft posts. (do elaborate how THAT equates to startup-relevant) As much as we hate shills who just blatantly support brands for no good reason, we also hate people who blatantly hate companies for no good reasons. HN is a place for reasonable debate. If you think Some big player did something right, you praise them. If you think they made a mistake, you point it out and discuss why it is a bad move on their part. But why the pure hatred?
- Toshio 13y ago
  > "most(more than 80%) of your comments are on [...]" I'm impressed. You really took the time to perform an in-depth study of my submission/comment history, even figured out the 80% stat. Slightly creepy but well-researched, kudos.

by Toshio 13y ago

skrebbel 13y ago

Agree, but then the same should hold for all the 'samsung beats apple in the cell phone market' nonsense.

Toshio 13y ago
I don't follow the Samsung-vs-Apple news, so I don't understand its relevance to the topic at hand.
- xerophtye 13y ago
  But you do follow news regarding Nokia don't you?

sz4kerto 13y ago

I believe the fact that you can collaborate on documents online with a suite that offers you quite high level of compatibility with legacy documents is relevant. Also, a big player in the software industry implemented something significant. It's probably much more relevant to hackers that how important role India plays in controlling AIDS (or, for that matter, the daily BTC/Tesla/etc. posts).

Toshio 13y ago
Huh. I don't follow news about India/AIDS or BTC, but Tesla is a startup IIRC.
- DanBC 13y ago
  > I don't follow news about India/AIDS Are you honestly saying that you cannot see how smart people with excellent computing could possibly do anything to help with significant problems such as HIV/AIDS or world hunger or food insecurity? Are you really only interested in news about the latest cat-photo startup? (I'm not dismissing those web sites. People have fun, and winning a start-up lottery gives that person money to spend on good science.) > Roving engine of chaos and snide remarks. That's not a good thing, especially here.
  - Toshio 13y ago
    > Are you honestly saying that [...] It looks like you are putting words in my mouth. All I'm saying is that I follow a subset of news that's related to tech and startup. Which means I don't have an informed opinion on: > how smart people with excellent computing could possibly do anything to help with significant problems such as HIV/AIDS or world hunger or food insecurity or: > the latest cat-photo startup

pfortuny 13y ago

The fact that the most used office suite has added one of the most relevant features which may make it interesting as an alternative to google docs may be somewhat relevant to startups (they may be interested in using the 'most used office suite' again...). But obviously, you are entitled to your own decisions.

Toshio 13y ago
> they may be interested in using the 'most used office suite' again Interesting twist, but I disagree. If anything, startups would be interested in disrupting, not aiding, a staid, old, established player's contraptions.
- pfortuny 13y ago
  I mean 'using' as in 'using a pencil, using paper, using the toilette', not as in 'showing them to the public'. A startup needs infrastructure apart from their product.

DanBC 13y ago

> I flagged this submission, I hope the usual complainers understand why. Perhaps you could explain why you think this is flag-worthy? I could understand that you might find it unimportant, or dull. But you've flagged it, and declared that you flagged it, which suggests you have some strongly negative feeling toward it appearing here. I'd be interested to see where you'd put this on a scale with all the other stories that get subbed to HN.

Toshio 13y ago
> "strongly negative feeling toward it appearing here" This isn't about feelings, I'm just adding a data point to HN ranking algorithm. The reason I enjoy being on HN is because of this community's mindset of "let's disrupt the big, established, old players". Seen from that angle, this submission is irrelevant because it's not about disrupting a big player, it's about perpetuating a harmful monopoly.
- codeka 13y ago
  But how can you expect to "disrupt the big, established, old players" if you're closing your eyes to what they're actually doing?
  - DanBC 13y ago
    It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle. -- widely attributed to Sun Tzu https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sun_Tzu#Ch._3 https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sun_Tzu#Ch._3
killme2 13y ago
Well, a glance at the first few pages of Toshio's comments on Microsoft should explain the real intentions here which seem to be quite different from the stated reason of 'it doesn't belong on HN'. https://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/comments&q=toshio+microsoft&start=0 https://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/comments&q=toshio+mi... Not to mention that the HN guidelines clearly state that if you have flagged a story, don't also post that you've flagged it. I guess the comment's goal is to turn the conversation into a flamewar so that the flamewar detector takes the story off front page, and to derail the comments away from the story at hand. And looks like the ploy is working, this is the biggest thread in the story comments.

rahoulb 13y ago

Not relevant if your startup never deals with any other companies; a huge number of which work entirely in MS Office.

xerophtye 13y ago

You really have something against Microsoft don't you? It's kind of weird that from the dozens of posts that appear on HN on a daily basis, most(more than 80%) of your comments are on posts about Microsoft or nokia. (and even when the post isn't about them, your comment is). Oh and you actually do submit stuff about Microsoft, but they are all Anti-Microsoft posts. (do elaborate how THAT equates to startup-relevant) As much as we hate shills who just blatantly support brands for no good reason, we also hate people who blatantly hate companies for no good reasons. HN is a place for reasonable debate. If you think Some big player did something right, you praise them. If you think they made a mistake, you point it out and discuss why it is a bad move on their part. But why the pure hatred?

Toshio 13y ago
> "most(more than 80%) of your comments are on [...]" I'm impressed. You really took the time to perform an in-depth study of my submission/comment history, even figured out the 80% stat. Slightly creepy but well-researched, kudos.