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You surely don't see my point. Read the link? Thought about the difference between books (paper) and data (bits)? Also the example you chose shows the problem

by zz1 13y ago

You surely don't see my point. Read the link? Thought about the difference between books (paper) and data (bits)? Also the example you chose shows the problem with centralization. Never said "better off without the Internet Archive" but "I'd be happier with an improved one, but the existence of the present one puts everybody in a comfort zone".

JohnHaugeland 13y ago
There's a lot more to it than the technical issue. Humans have to do the work. Putting it on a warez distribution network doesn't get the scanning done, etc.
- zz1 13y ago
  Why should one exclude the other? I talk about "improvements", not a random chosen word. Also I scanned a lot of books myself, and scanners can easily go trivial over the next decade. http://www.diybookscanner.org/ http://www.diybookscanner.org/ http://diybookscanner.eu/ http://diybookscanner.eu/ And humans may even be not that necessary anymore http://www.lib.umich.edu/events/automatic-book-scanning-designing-linear-book-scanner-google http://www.lib.umich.edu/events/automatic-book-scanning-desi...
  - JohnHaugeland 13y ago
    I'm not saying anything needs to be excluded. However, there is a human tragedy here, for people who have done good work for us, and we want to help out. If you don't want to, that's your prerogative. I'm glad that you've scanned books and released them. Maybe scanners will become trivial; you might be right. They aren't there yet, though, and I feel like I owe these people a debt, to help. I'm not telling you what to do or think. I'm just answering why I think there's more to the issue than that there could be a centralized storage, and that in the future maybe it gets easier to do. Sometimes when there's a fire you just put some money in the hat to help, buddy. It's more about compassion than anything. Thanks for hearing me out.

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You surely don't see my point. Read the link? Thought about the difference between books (paper) and data (bits)? Also the example you chose shows the problem

by zz1 13y ago

JohnHaugeland 13y ago
There's a lot more to it than the technical issue. Humans have to do the work. Putting it on a warez distribution network doesn't get the scanning done, etc.
- zz1 13y ago
  Why should one exclude the other? I talk about "improvements", not a random chosen word. Also I scanned a lot of books myself, and scanners can easily go trivial over the next decade. http://www.diybookscanner.org/ http://www.diybookscanner.org/ http://diybookscanner.eu/ http://diybookscanner.eu/ And humans may even be not that necessary anymore http://www.lib.umich.edu/events/automatic-book-scanning-designing-linear-book-scanner-google http://www.lib.umich.edu/events/automatic-book-scanning-desi...
  - JohnHaugeland 13y ago
    I'm not saying anything needs to be excluded. However, there is a human tragedy here, for people who have done good work for us, and we want to help out. If you don't want to, that's your prerogative. I'm glad that you've scanned books and released them. Maybe scanners will become trivial; you might be right. They aren't there yet, though, and I feel like I owe these people a debt, to help. I'm not telling you what to do or think. I'm just answering why I think there's more to the issue than that there could be a centralized storage, and that in the future maybe it gets easier to do. Sometimes when there's a fire you just put some money in the hat to help, buddy. It's more about compassion than anything. Thanks for hearing me out.