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This really doesn't make sense apart from for the sake of pushing Chrome, which is using the same bait and switch tactics that Microsoft used in the late 90's a

by csmuk 13y ago

This really doesn't make sense apart from for the sake of pushing Chrome, which is using the same bait and switch tactics that Microsoft used in the late 90's and early 00's. Don't be evil eh? If you look at the FULL chart they reference[1], there are considerably more IE8 users than any Apple device for example and there are more IE8 and IE9 users combined than IE10. IE8 users are likely on Windows XP as that's the last supported browser version on that. Bye bye XP users unless you install Chrome. IE9 users are likely on Windows Vista as that's the last supported browser version on that. Bye bye Vista users unless you install Chrome. This appears to be Google just being a dick, seeing an opportunity and forcing Chrome on people. To be honest, and I really hate saying this, Microsoft are the only damn company left that has a reasonable support lifecycle these days. Literally everyone else makes a whooshing sound. [1] http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser_version-ww-monthly-201310-201311-bar http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser_version-ww-monthly-201310... (stats are all bullshit on this anyway TBH). Footnote: I'm posting this from Firefox on OpenBSD before I get accused of being a shill...

oneeyedpigeon 13y ago
Wait, Google are being dicks because they continue to support XP, which Microsoft has abandoned, despite it still being widely used, but Microsoft is the only company with a reasonable support lifecycle? Something about that doesn't add up ...
- csmuk 13y ago
  They said on day one and in the EULA that it would be supported until 2012 (10 years). They extended that to 12 years to give people time to migrate. They've been more than reasonable. Since XP came out, I've got married, had three children, owned two houses, owned 3 cars, have gone from a simple black and white Nokia phone that makes calls to a pocket cray, I've watches wars waged between many nation, I've got 160x the bandwidth on my internet connection, I have no CRTs any more, I can just sit down anywhere and get a WiFi connection and my entire library fits in my pocket, That's a fuck of a long time. All these people really need to just stop whinging like babies and realise how long 12 years is.
  - rythie 13y ago
    Great, but there wasn't an update to Windows for 5 years after that and even when there was it too buggy to roll out in an enterprise. Windows 7 in 2009 was the first time there was a real upgrade for enterprises and 4 years isn't that long in an enterprise with 1000s of machines most of which will need hardware upgrades/replacing at that point.
fpgeek 13y ago
Um, Firefox works just fine on XP and Vista, just like Chrome. I'm sure Google would be happy if people switched to Chrome for Docs, but they're not forcing anyone to.
- zobzu 13y ago
  half the time i load gdocs in firefox, gdocs tells me firefox is not a supported browser and that i should download chrome right away. Of course i can ignore the warning, but its pretty clear and if you're a random user you'll be like "oh crap ive to upgrade or gdocs will break". so yeah, its close enough.
  - nikbackm 13y ago
    Maybe that's because they only support the two latest versions of Firefox as well? I haven't gotten any such warnings from Google Docs while using Firefox (latest version) at least.
- josteink 13y ago
  But Google doesn't tell you to download Firefox on every other page they own across the entire internet. They do so for Chrome. "Upgrade your browser", "Get a faster browser" and all that bullshit we laughed at MS for doing with MSIE. But now it's Google doing it. Everywhere. With no anti-trust regulatory reactions in sight.
  - DominikR 13y ago
    > But Google doesn't tell you to download Firefox on every other page they own across the entire internet. Why shouldn't they advertise their own products? And why in hell do you think they should advertise Firefox? Are you advertising your competitor on your property? > They do so for Chrome. "Upgrade your browser", "Get a faster browser" and all that bullshit we laughed at MS for doing with MSIE. For an IE user, Chrome is certainly an upgrade. Both in security and speed. > But now it's Google doing it. Everywhere. With no anti-trust regulatory reactions in sight. Google doesn't have a monopoly in browsers so what are you talking about?
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by csmuk 13y ago

oneeyedpigeon 13y ago

Wait, Google are being dicks because they continue to support XP, which Microsoft has abandoned, despite it still being widely used, but Microsoft is the only company with a reasonable support lifecycle? Something about that doesn't add up ...

csmuk 13y ago
They said on day one and in the EULA that it would be supported until 2012 (10 years). They extended that to 12 years to give people time to migrate. They've been more than reasonable. Since XP came out, I've got married, had three children, owned two houses, owned 3 cars, have gone from a simple black and white Nokia phone that makes calls to a pocket cray, I've watches wars waged between many nation, I've got 160x the bandwidth on my internet connection, I have no CRTs any more, I can just sit down anywhere and get a WiFi connection and my entire library fits in my pocket, That's a fuck of a long time. All these people really need to just stop whinging like babies and realise how long 12 years is.
- rythie 13y ago
  Great, but there wasn't an update to Windows for 5 years after that and even when there was it too buggy to roll out in an enterprise. Windows 7 in 2009 was the first time there was a real upgrade for enterprises and 4 years isn't that long in an enterprise with 1000s of machines most of which will need hardware upgrades/replacing at that point.

fpgeek 13y ago

Um, Firefox works just fine on XP and Vista, just like Chrome. I'm sure Google would be happy if people switched to Chrome for Docs, but they're not forcing anyone to.

zobzu 13y ago
half the time i load gdocs in firefox, gdocs tells me firefox is not a supported browser and that i should download chrome right away. Of course i can ignore the warning, but its pretty clear and if you're a random user you'll be like "oh crap ive to upgrade or gdocs will break". so yeah, its close enough.
- nikbackm 13y ago
  Maybe that's because they only support the two latest versions of Firefox as well? I haven't gotten any such warnings from Google Docs while using Firefox (latest version) at least.
josteink 13y ago
But Google doesn't tell you to download Firefox on every other page they own across the entire internet. They do so for Chrome. "Upgrade your browser", "Get a faster browser" and all that bullshit we laughed at MS for doing with MSIE. But now it's Google doing it. Everywhere. With no anti-trust regulatory reactions in sight.
- DominikR 13y ago
  > But Google doesn't tell you to download Firefox on every other page they own across the entire internet. Why shouldn't they advertise their own products? And why in hell do you think they should advertise Firefox? Are you advertising your competitor on your property? > They do so for Chrome. "Upgrade your browser", "Get a faster browser" and all that bullshit we laughed at MS for doing with MSIE. For an IE user, Chrome is certainly an upgrade. Both in security and speed. > But now it's Google doing it. Everywhere. With no anti-trust regulatory reactions in sight. Google doesn't have a monopoly in browsers so what are you talking about?

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