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I'm kinda surprised to see this. I'm a big iWork user and I didn't really miss any of the features they took out. I mean, not having those features didn't affec

I'm kinda surprised to see this. I'm a big iWork user and I didn't really miss any of the features they took out. I mean, not having those features didn't affect my ability to do my job, so I didn't really know if the outcry was realistic or just a sense of entitlement. It is good know that we'll see some rapid improvements - although I'll be wondering how necessary some of these features are if I didn't miss them in the first place ;-) edit: what kind of things are people doing with Applescript in Keynote? It sounds interesting...

graeme 13y ago
Pretty realistic. I can speak from my own experience: a lot of people used it to produce professional documents. I use it to write books, it is (was) a wonderful alternative to Microsoft Word. The new version removed at least six mission critical features, so I didn't upgrade. I could not have written my book in Pages if I was starting out with the new version. Style management, in particular, is crucial.
- Samuel_Michon 13y ago
  As you self-publish, wouldn’t it make more sense to use Adobe InCopy[1]? There is no other app I know of that integrates better with InDesign. As a publisher, that’s what I ask authors and editors to style copy in. If you’re a Adobe CC subscriber, you already have access to it. If not, a InCopy CC license costs $240 a year. [1] http://www.adobe.com/products/incopy.html http://www.adobe.com/products/incopy.html
  - graeme 13y ago
    It may make sense to learn it eventually, but so far there's nothing I haven't been able to do with ease in Pages. Here are my books, you should be able to see inside them to get a sense of the formatting: http://www.amazon.com/Graeme-Blake/e/B009A0YBWO/ http://www.amazon.com/Graeme-Blake/e/B009A0YBWO/ What would be the major advantages? I'm sure there are some, I just don't know much about it.
    - Samuel_Michon 13y ago
      I looked at the covers of your books: those are good. I also looked at the interiors on some of your books: those seem to not have received as much attention. InCopy makes it easy to add styles that translate well to InDesign. The same is true for tables and lists. I’d say, watch the tutorials Adobe and Lynda.com[1] created. InCopy has copyfitting features: you can see exactly how many lines fit on one page and how many lines you’ve got left. You can also preview the layout. [1] http://www.lynda.com/InCopy-training-tutorials/232-0.html http://www.lynda.com/InCopy-training-tutorials/232-0.html
- freejack 13y ago
  Interesting. What is "Style management" in this context? I'm assuming the ability to modify a style once and have it applied to the whole document?
  - graeme 13y ago
    Yes. Styles sometimes get complex when you have overlapping paragraph, character and list styles. Highlighting every instance of the style often lets you make subtler modifications. I suppose I should check if the new style management means I no longer need to do this. But there were other features I needed, so I won't upgrade yet. Not worth risking breaking my workflow until I see where the dust settles.

graeme 13y ago

Pretty realistic. I can speak from my own experience: a lot of people used it to produce professional documents. I use it to write books, it is (was) a wonderful alternative to Microsoft Word. The new version removed at least six mission critical features, so I didn't upgrade. I could not have written my book in Pages if I was starting out with the new version. Style management, in particular, is crucial.

Samuel_Michon 13y ago
As you self-publish, wouldn’t it make more sense to use Adobe InCopy[1]? There is no other app I know of that integrates better with InDesign. As a publisher, that’s what I ask authors and editors to style copy in. If you’re a Adobe CC subscriber, you already have access to it. If not, a InCopy CC license costs $240 a year. [1] http://www.adobe.com/products/incopy.html http://www.adobe.com/products/incopy.html
- graeme 13y ago
  It may make sense to learn it eventually, but so far there's nothing I haven't been able to do with ease in Pages. Here are my books, you should be able to see inside them to get a sense of the formatting: http://www.amazon.com/Graeme-Blake/e/B009A0YBWO/ http://www.amazon.com/Graeme-Blake/e/B009A0YBWO/ What would be the major advantages? I'm sure there are some, I just don't know much about it.
  - Samuel_Michon 13y ago
    I looked at the covers of your books: those are good. I also looked at the interiors on some of your books: those seem to not have received as much attention. InCopy makes it easy to add styles that translate well to InDesign. The same is true for tables and lists. I’d say, watch the tutorials Adobe and Lynda.com[1] created. InCopy has copyfitting features: you can see exactly how many lines fit on one page and how many lines you’ve got left. You can also preview the layout. [1] http://www.lynda.com/InCopy-training-tutorials/232-0.html http://www.lynda.com/InCopy-training-tutorials/232-0.html
freejack 13y ago
Interesting. What is "Style management" in this context? I'm assuming the ability to modify a style once and have it applied to the whole document?
- graeme 13y ago
  Yes. Styles sometimes get complex when you have overlapping paragraph, character and list styles. Highlighting every instance of the style often lets you make subtler modifications. I suppose I should check if the new style management means I no longer need to do this. But there were other features I needed, so I won't upgrade yet. Not worth risking breaking my workflow until I see where the dust settles.