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This entire piece is written from the perspective of someone who sees their job as only a way to make money. That person might look at me and say something alon

This entire piece is written from the perspective of someone who sees their job as only a way to make money. That person might look at me and say something along the lines of "look at him, wasting his life away spending time at work." To me, though, he is the one wasting his life spending even a few hours a day to do something he would not do for free. If you don't absolutely love your job, quit. And if you absolutely love your job, why the hell wouldn't you want to stay a few more minutes?

cgag 13y ago
The thing about that is I need money to live. The intersection of things I'd do for free and tasks given to me by other people is very small.
holri 13y ago
Even if you love to run marathons, running marathons all day will destroy you .
dalek_cannes 13y ago
I love my job, and I love working extra hours on it. But on my own terms and as a means of building something more, not compensating for lack of planning or management. > why the hell wouldn't you want to stay a few more minutes? Strawman. Everyone stays that extra few minutes. Sometimes even a few hours on occasion. That's not what 'long hours' here refer to.
- jmvoodoo 13y ago
  Fair enough on the straw man. I definitely work closer to 70 hrs a week at the moment.
  - dalek_cannes 13y ago
    I've done almost 90. I don't recommend it!
DigitalSea 13y ago
Quite clearly you love your job more than you love your friends and family if you're happy staying back because you love your job as opposed to going home to your husband or wife, or catching up with your best friend who you haven't seen in 3 months because you've been too busy working. Overtime is expected in the design and development industry. It's when companies factor in overtime into their estimates in order to quote lower than other agencies competing for the same work because they know that the employees will pick up the slack to get it done, that's when it's not alright. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love my job and where I work, but if overtime is an expected thing every single project, that's taking advantage of your own employees and a sure-fire way to churn through workers like butter and eventually get yourself a reputation in the industry for being a bad place to work. People talk and reputation matters in the design and development industry more than people realise, it's everything. I have a family and friends, you might be okay with working overtime, but what about your wife, is she okay with it? What if you have children at home wanting to see their father? You might be okay with it now, but you'll regret it when you're older and realise you missed out on your children growing up.
- shubb 13y ago
  You mention family a bunch, and I think that's important. If you are 20 and single, and staying late in the office means pizza and a bit of XBox with your team later on, it is genuinely much nicer than going back to your empty little apartment and microwaving an instant meal. If you have a family, then regardless of how much you like XBox, if you are a decent person you will run out the door at 5. I'm young and irresponsible. When I glance round the office at 8pm, and see a guys I know have baby children working free over time like every other night, I want to shake them.
borplk 13y ago
If you work for yourself that's something. But I really hope you don't work for someone else with that attitude because in that case people like you are making it difficult for the rest of us. If you work for someone else and your attitude is "haha I love this job so much I'm willing to do it for free" then everyone else starts discounting everything on you "because hey that guy loves doing this stuff". Don't bring your love for the job into the equation because that will only hurt you.
PhasmaFelis 13y ago
I don't absolutely love my job. I mean, I'm pretty happy with it. It's satisfying. Not "absolutely love," though. You know what I do absolutely love? Having a roof over my head at night. Not starving to death. "If you don't absolutely love your job, quit" is a great sentiment if you live in a utopian fairyland where you can comfortably support yourself knitting sweaters or playing video games or whatever it is you might love to do. In the real world, it's insultingly naive. Loving your job is a luxury that is simply not available to the large majority of humans, not at any price. If you're one of the exceptions, more power to you, but it's not really relevant to the rest of us.
- PeterisP 13y ago
  If you don't love your job, then that's the whole point of having a social deal that it's perfectly okay to work 40 hour weeks + have a roof over your head + don't starve.
acuozzo 13y ago
I don't absolutely love my job. I'll gladly quit if you're willing to financially provide for myself and my family!

cgag 13y ago

The thing about that is I need money to live. The intersection of things I'd do for free and tasks given to me by other people is very small.

holri 13y ago

Even if you love to run marathons, running marathons all day will destroy you .

dalek_cannes 13y ago

I love my job, and I love working extra hours on it. But on my own terms and as a means of building something more, not compensating for lack of planning or management. > why the hell wouldn't you want to stay a few more minutes? Strawman. Everyone stays that extra few minutes. Sometimes even a few hours on occasion. That's not what 'long hours' here refer to.

jmvoodoo 13y ago
Fair enough on the straw man. I definitely work closer to 70 hrs a week at the moment.
- dalek_cannes 13y ago
  I've done almost 90. I don't recommend it!

DigitalSea 13y ago

Quite clearly you love your job more than you love your friends and family if you're happy staying back because you love your job as opposed to going home to your husband or wife, or catching up with your best friend who you haven't seen in 3 months because you've been too busy working. Overtime is expected in the design and development industry. It's when companies factor in overtime into their estimates in order to quote lower than other agencies competing for the same work because they know that the employees will pick up the slack to get it done, that's when it's not alright. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love my job and where I work, but if overtime is an expected thing every single project, that's taking advantage of your own employees and a sure-fire way to churn through workers like butter and eventually get yourself a reputation in the industry for being a bad place to work. People talk and reputation matters in the design and development industry more than people realise, it's everything. I have a family and friends, you might be okay with working overtime, but what about your wife, is she okay with it? What if you have children at home wanting to see their father? You might be okay with it now, but you'll regret it when you're older and realise you missed out on your children growing up.

shubb 13y ago
You mention family a bunch, and I think that's important. If you are 20 and single, and staying late in the office means pizza and a bit of XBox with your team later on, it is genuinely much nicer than going back to your empty little apartment and microwaving an instant meal. If you have a family, then regardless of how much you like XBox, if you are a decent person you will run out the door at 5. I'm young and irresponsible. When I glance round the office at 8pm, and see a guys I know have baby children working free over time like every other night, I want to shake them.

borplk 13y ago

If you work for yourself that's something. But I really hope you don't work for someone else with that attitude because in that case people like you are making it difficult for the rest of us. If you work for someone else and your attitude is "haha I love this job so much I'm willing to do it for free" then everyone else starts discounting everything on you "because hey that guy loves doing this stuff". Don't bring your love for the job into the equation because that will only hurt you.

PhasmaFelis 13y ago

I don't absolutely love my job. I mean, I'm pretty happy with it. It's satisfying. Not "absolutely love," though. You know what I do absolutely love? Having a roof over my head at night. Not starving to death. "If you don't absolutely love your job, quit" is a great sentiment if you live in a utopian fairyland where you can comfortably support yourself knitting sweaters or playing video games or whatever it is you might love to do. In the real world, it's insultingly naive. Loving your job is a luxury that is simply not available to the large majority of humans, not at any price. If you're one of the exceptions, more power to you, but it's not really relevant to the rest of us.

PeterisP 13y ago
If you don't love your job, then that's the whole point of having a social deal that it's perfectly okay to work 40 hour weeks + have a roof over your head + don't starve.

acuozzo 13y ago

I don't absolutely love my job. I'll gladly quit if you're willing to financially provide for myself and my family!