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Hopefully the legal system will dish out some justice for him. For him with dollars and for the rest of society by putting everyone else involved in the unempl

by Amadou 13y ago

Hopefully the legal system will dish out some justice for him. For him with dollars and for the rest of society by putting everyone else involved in the unemployment line, if not prison.

vacri 13y ago
"lock the bastards up!" is how you get this kind of situation in the first place; making everyone so afraid to put a foot wrong that they'll do what the person with the badge tells them. Not to mention that destroying a professional career that takes ten years to start on one misstep is harmful to the medical system itself - why is the slogan always "lock the bastards up" and so rarely "train them better"? The former is a post-facto lose/lose, the latter win/win.
- zentiggr 13y ago
  This case involves basically a serial rape, by licensed medical personnel. Short of the death penalty itself for all of them, I see no punishment that is too severe. Making a very very public example of them is plenty of deterrent value for future "medical professionals" who may be dragged (or otherwise) into any further situations like this. The firing and blacklisting of every law enforcement officer involved, and yes, up to and including the chief of police, is again a solid push back against this sort of abuse of power everywhere. Too bad the judge won't see anything but perhaps a slight remembrance of this circumstance when the next election comes. His name should be posted at every polling place, end of story. Tired, so damn tired of these stories.
  - vacri 13y ago
    Tired, so damn tired of these stories. If you're tired of these stories, then, perhaps, look to similar cultures that don't have them with the frequency the US does. You'll find that they don't see 'lock them up and throw away the key" as the answer to most transgressions. Rehabilitation and retraining keeps people as productive members of society, rather than lifelong imprisonment in which they become permanent burdens. And now you're firing the Chief of Police for not having a pat answer when 'cornered' (article's term) by an investigative reporter. You're baying for blood because he didn't spout something off-the-cuff when he possibly didn't have all the details? And people wonder why public figures play their cards close to their chest. Not to mention that it can be a miscarriage of justice if the defendants don't get a fair trial because of something said by a public figure with authority over them. Similarly the judge's original warrant may have been justified given the information presented at the request. As someone else in this thread mentions, what we have here is one side of the story. It happens again and again and again that the Internet Righteous Machine goes berserk over a one-sided story without bothering to verify. Making a very very public example of them is plenty of deterrent value for future "medical professionals" who may be dragged (or otherwise) into any further situations like this. Yes, because the 'deterrent' mentality is working so well for the US so far, what with the incarceration rate five times higher than any other western nation, highest in the world. I'm not saying these guys shouldn't be punished at all, but the hysteria of your "fuck them all" response is hardly realistic or just. Let them be found guilty in a court of law, of rape and of inappropriate warrants and whatever else. But keep your head about you when discussing legal issues. Being dispassionate doesn't mean being uncaring.
- dinkumthinkum 13y ago
  No, lock them up. Who cares about their careers? They raped this man repeatedly and had nerve to bill him for it. Your view is just inane.
  - vacri 13y ago
    I guess I was more commenting on the general sentiment that rises when stories like this pop up: "destroy the perpetrators, then we can all feel sated" instead of "what's the best way to prevent this happening again"
    - ahomescu1 13y ago
      Prevention is generally ineffective, because it's usually done through regulation. How would you even prevent something like this? I could see creating a law against this specific case, but that would be for a very limited corner-case. I generally don't like the "prevent every bad thing possible" approach to rules and laws, since there's so much to regulate. It's easier to punish bad behavior.

by Amadou 13y ago

Hopefully the legal system will dish out some justice for him. For him with dollars and for the rest of society by putting everyone else involved in the unemployment line, if not prison.

vacri 13y ago

"lock the bastards up!" is how you get this kind of situation in the first place; making everyone so afraid to put a foot wrong that they'll do what the person with the badge tells them. Not to mention that destroying a professional career that takes ten years to start on one misstep is harmful to the medical system itself - why is the slogan always "lock the bastards up" and so rarely "train them better"? The former is a post-facto lose/lose, the latter win/win.

zentiggr 13y ago
This case involves basically a serial rape, by licensed medical personnel. Short of the death penalty itself for all of them, I see no punishment that is too severe. Making a very very public example of them is plenty of deterrent value for future "medical professionals" who may be dragged (or otherwise) into any further situations like this. The firing and blacklisting of every law enforcement officer involved, and yes, up to and including the chief of police, is again a solid push back against this sort of abuse of power everywhere. Too bad the judge won't see anything but perhaps a slight remembrance of this circumstance when the next election comes. His name should be posted at every polling place, end of story. Tired, so damn tired of these stories.
- vacri 13y ago
  Tired, so damn tired of these stories. If you're tired of these stories, then, perhaps, look to similar cultures that don't have them with the frequency the US does. You'll find that they don't see 'lock them up and throw away the key" as the answer to most transgressions. Rehabilitation and retraining keeps people as productive members of society, rather than lifelong imprisonment in which they become permanent burdens. And now you're firing the Chief of Police for not having a pat answer when 'cornered' (article's term) by an investigative reporter. You're baying for blood because he didn't spout something off-the-cuff when he possibly didn't have all the details? And people wonder why public figures play their cards close to their chest. Not to mention that it can be a miscarriage of justice if the defendants don't get a fair trial because of something said by a public figure with authority over them. Similarly the judge's original warrant may have been justified given the information presented at the request. As someone else in this thread mentions, what we have here is one side of the story. It happens again and again and again that the Internet Righteous Machine goes berserk over a one-sided story without bothering to verify. Making a very very public example of them is plenty of deterrent value for future "medical professionals" who may be dragged (or otherwise) into any further situations like this. Yes, because the 'deterrent' mentality is working so well for the US so far, what with the incarceration rate five times higher than any other western nation, highest in the world. I'm not saying these guys shouldn't be punished at all, but the hysteria of your "fuck them all" response is hardly realistic or just. Let them be found guilty in a court of law, of rape and of inappropriate warrants and whatever else. But keep your head about you when discussing legal issues. Being dispassionate doesn't mean being uncaring.
dinkumthinkum 13y ago
No, lock them up. Who cares about their careers? They raped this man repeatedly and had nerve to bill him for it. Your view is just inane.
- vacri 13y ago
  I guess I was more commenting on the general sentiment that rises when stories like this pop up: "destroy the perpetrators, then we can all feel sated" instead of "what's the best way to prevent this happening again"
  - ahomescu1 13y ago
    Prevention is generally ineffective, because it's usually done through regulation. How would you even prevent something like this? I could see creating a law against this specific case, but that would be for a very limited corner-case. I generally don't like the "prevent every bad thing possible" approach to rules and laws, since there's so much to regulate. It's easier to punish bad behavior.