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I don't want to go too far, but according to Wikipedia's article on rape "the World Health Organization defined it in 2002 as 'physically forced or otherwise co

by spodek 13y ago

I don't want to go too far, but according to Wikipedia's article on rape "the World Health Organization defined it in 2002 as 'physically forced or otherwise coerced penetration – even if slight – of the vulva or anus, using a penis, other body parts or an object'". Is it a mistake to use that definition here? Obviously the local law is relevant in legal proceedings and I want to respect survivors of sexual assault, but what else do we call it?

YokoZar 13y ago
It's not a mistake, and the civil suit filing even includes rape as one of its (many) listed claims.
- chris_wot 13y ago
  Those doctors are screwed. I'd personally sue each and every one of them. If only to stop them from cooperating with the police ever again. Then I'd request the police and doctors be charged with assault. And then demand the doctors' licenses be revoked and the police officers' badges revoked.
  - ubernostrum 13y ago
    Qualified immunity goes a long, long way; and even beyond that, a court issued a warrant for this, which means it's got more than just the usual "in the course of their duties" cover going on.
    - yapcguy 13y ago
      KOB News 4 have found another case - maybe it's regular practice round there? "Our investigation reveals another chapter. Another man, another minor traffic violation, another incident with Leo the K-9 and another example of the violation of a man's body. Young is taken to the Gila Regional Medical Center in Silver City, and just like Eckert, he's subjected to medical procedures including x-rays of his stomach and an anal exam. Again, police found nothing, and again the procedures were done without consent, and in a county not covered by the search warrant. We've learned more about that drug dog, Leo, that seems to get it wrong pretty often. He might be getting it wrong because he's not even certified in New Mexico. " http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3210356.shtml http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3210356.shtml
fsckin 13y ago
If you have to ask, it's probably rape.
- duncan_bayne 13y ago
  I wish I could upvote multiple times.
Aloha 13y ago
Medical Rape - comes to mind. I was speechless.
smokeyj 13y ago
If you do it, it's rape. If they do it, it's a search. If you do it, it's theft. If they do it, it's a tax. If you do it, it's torture. If they do it, it's enhanced interrogation. If you do it, it's terrorism. If they do it, it's freedom fighting. If you do it, it's counterfeiting. If they do it, it's quantitative easing. If you do it, it's a mafia. If they do it, it's a government.
- samweinberg 13y ago
  Oh come on, it's not as simple as that and you know it.
  - adamwong246 13y ago
    What? What?! It's EXACTLY as simple as that! What is this complication you speak of?
- rosser 13y ago
  Please dispense with the bullshit specious equivocations. This forum warrants a higher level of discourse than that.
  - lwhalen 13y ago
    How is it specious? It seems fairly dead-on accurate to me.
    - edias 13y ago
      Governments have different powers than citizens and different roles in society. Do they abuse those powers often? Yes, they have since this country was formed, nothing new here. What does smokeyj's comment add to the discussion? At best it's emotionally charged and douchy way of saying you don't like the government.
      - Jayschwa 13y ago
        > Governments have different powers than citizens I disagree with this. If an individual does not have the right to do something, neither does a collective. We all individually have the right to defend ourselves, for example. As with most things in society, it's more efficient to "outsource" the task to specialists like police. However, if individuals do not have the permission bits to do something like administer non-consensual anal probes, neither should law enforcement.
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caf 13y ago
The forced X-rays are grevious bodily harm, too: every X-ray damages your tissue, which is why doctors ordinarily only prescribe them where the medical benefits are judged to outweigh the risks.
duncan_bayne 13y ago
It's very clearly rape by that definition. It's sexual assault.

by spodek 13y ago

YokoZar 13y ago

It's not a mistake, and the civil suit filing even includes rape as one of its (many) listed claims.

chris_wot 13y ago
Those doctors are screwed. I'd personally sue each and every one of them. If only to stop them from cooperating with the police ever again. Then I'd request the police and doctors be charged with assault. And then demand the doctors' licenses be revoked and the police officers' badges revoked.
- ubernostrum 13y ago
  Qualified immunity goes a long, long way; and even beyond that, a court issued a warrant for this, which means it's got more than just the usual "in the course of their duties" cover going on.
  - yapcguy 13y ago
    KOB News 4 have found another case - maybe it's regular practice round there? "Our investigation reveals another chapter. Another man, another minor traffic violation, another incident with Leo the K-9 and another example of the violation of a man's body. Young is taken to the Gila Regional Medical Center in Silver City, and just like Eckert, he's subjected to medical procedures including x-rays of his stomach and an anal exam. Again, police found nothing, and again the procedures were done without consent, and in a county not covered by the search warrant. We've learned more about that drug dog, Leo, that seems to get it wrong pretty often. He might be getting it wrong because he's not even certified in New Mexico. " http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3210356.shtml http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3210356.shtml

fsckin 13y ago

If you have to ask, it's probably rape.

duncan_bayne 13y ago
I wish I could upvote multiple times.

Aloha 13y ago

Medical Rape - comes to mind. I was speechless.

smokeyj 13y ago

If you do it, it's rape. If they do it, it's a search. If you do it, it's theft. If they do it, it's a tax. If you do it, it's torture. If they do it, it's enhanced interrogation. If you do it, it's terrorism. If they do it, it's freedom fighting. If you do it, it's counterfeiting. If they do it, it's quantitative easing. If you do it, it's a mafia. If they do it, it's a government.

samweinberg 13y ago
Oh come on, it's not as simple as that and you know it.
- adamwong246 13y ago
  What? What?! It's EXACTLY as simple as that! What is this complication you speak of?
rosser 13y ago
Please dispense with the bullshit specious equivocations. This forum warrants a higher level of discourse than that.
- lwhalen 13y ago
  How is it specious? It seems fairly dead-on accurate to me.
  - edias 13y ago
    Governments have different powers than citizens and different roles in society. Do they abuse those powers often? Yes, they have since this country was formed, nothing new here. What does smokeyj's comment add to the discussion? At best it's emotionally charged and douchy way of saying you don't like the government.
    - Jayschwa 13y ago
      > Governments have different powers than citizens I disagree with this. If an individual does not have the right to do something, neither does a collective. We all individually have the right to defend ourselves, for example. As with most things in society, it's more efficient to "outsource" the task to specialists like police. However, if individuals do not have the permission bits to do something like administer non-consensual anal probes, neither should law enforcement.

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caf 13y ago

The forced X-rays are grevious bodily harm, too: every X-ray damages your tissue, which is why doctors ordinarily only prescribe them where the medical benefits are judged to outweigh the risks.

duncan_bayne 13y ago

It's very clearly rape by that definition. It's sexual assault.