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nothing trolling about it. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=120003 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=120003 2011 people having problems wit

nothing trolling about it. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=120003 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=120003 2011 people having problems with multiple apps trying to use audio at the same time. This is one of the things that drove me away from desktop linux in 2008. 3 years later it still isn't a solved problem. My gut tells me that in 2013, it's still not a solved problem. I've no doubt that some people get it to work for their use cases OK. But the fact that it was, even 2 years ago, enough of a problem that people still encountered it... architecturally, that's a symptom of something really broken. I'm not really interested in learning the ins and outs of modprobe and kernel driver recompiles to try to get sound working as I expect it to - it works the way I expect it to on my macbook, which leaves me time to do other more important stuff.

phaemon 13y ago
> it works the way I expect it to on my macbook What? Not at all? Not working when you unplug headphones? Not working for Flash? Google for "osx sound problem" and you'll get plenty hits. What exactly do you think your link from 2011 demonstrates?
- mgkimsal 13y ago
  My anecdotal evidence using my MacBooks (3 since 2008) carry as much weight as anyone else's linux anecdotes. And osx is by no means perfect. I just have had far fewer problems related to hardware and drivers than I ever did on Linux. In 9 years of desktop linux, audio was a constant problem. It's been an extremely rare issue on my MacBooks. What it demonstrates is that even in 2011, the base issues of how audio should even work hadn't really been sorted out. oss vs alas vs pulseaudio vs whatever aren't issues I want to be concerning myself with - this is just one reason I left for the macbook world.
  - phaemon 13y ago
    ...and I've had no problems with Linux sound since I tried to force JACK to do things no sane human should. Your anecdotes illustrate nothing. I was using macbooks at the same time for our video editing. Don't pretend they don't spin that beachball crap at you at the worst moments.
unmei 13y ago
Also, they are using ALSA instead of PulseAudio. In my experience, the latter deals with multiple sources much better, to the point that I can even route and combine sources for streaming.

phaemon 13y ago

> it works the way I expect it to on my macbook What? Not at all? Not working when you unplug headphones? Not working for Flash? Google for "osx sound problem" and you'll get plenty hits. What exactly do you think your link from 2011 demonstrates?

mgkimsal 13y ago
My anecdotal evidence using my MacBooks (3 since 2008) carry as much weight as anyone else's linux anecdotes. And osx is by no means perfect. I just have had far fewer problems related to hardware and drivers than I ever did on Linux. In 9 years of desktop linux, audio was a constant problem. It's been an extremely rare issue on my MacBooks. What it demonstrates is that even in 2011, the base issues of how audio should even work hadn't really been sorted out. oss vs alas vs pulseaudio vs whatever aren't issues I want to be concerning myself with - this is just one reason I left for the macbook world.
- phaemon 13y ago
  ...and I've had no problems with Linux sound since I tried to force JACK to do things no sane human should. Your anecdotes illustrate nothing. I was using macbooks at the same time for our video editing. Don't pretend they don't spin that beachball crap at you at the worst moments.

unmei 13y ago

Also, they are using ALSA instead of PulseAudio. In my experience, the latter deals with multiple sources much better, to the point that I can even route and combine sources for streaming.