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Yep. Every developer's greatest fear should be that so many new, young people are learning to code that the base salary will dive dramatically in the next 10 ye

Yep. Every developer's greatest fear should be that so many new, young people are learning to code that the base salary will dive dramatically in the next 10 years. That's why I want to start a campaign called "Don't code." Trying to prevent young minds for learning the trade. I like being in high demand.

Phlarp 13y ago
Reverse argument, for context, I'm just about to graduate from a mediocre state university in the mid-west: Not all of the young minds that are "learning to code" really have the potential to write programs at the same level as the average ValleyBoy RoR Jockey™ (or even the average casual Hacker News reading hobbyist coder). The number of students in my program that had massive interest in our numbers ( 100% placement with the highest average starting pay ) and almost zero interest in actually learning to code is frightening. These students tend to slither through the technical classes with a lot of help from google and their friends, only to find themselves unable to compete for real developer positions and settling for the same 4x,xxx "business analyst" warm body jobs that seem to be the holy grail of the hoards of non-stem degree holders. On the flip side, if you can actually get fizz buzz to compile and can stomach the idea of living in the midwest, prepare to be wined and dined by everyone under the sun.
- Taylorious 13y ago
  Not everyone learns to program because they want to devote their life to code and worship the bit gods. I am in a similar situation as you and I have noticed quite a few students like you mentioned. My question is, whats so wrong with them getting a degree/job doing something they enjoy even if they aren't a rockstar at it? Is it so wrong for someone to want a 9-5 job doing something they enjoy? Yes they can't compete for "real" developer positions, but maybe they don't want to live in the valley and work 80 hours a week on a Facebook for cats and then hope Google buys their company. The truth of the matter is there is a ton of crappy code all over the world making things run and making people money. You don't need to be a rockstar to be valuable to a company so long as you get things done. I'm not activating mediocrity, I'm simply suggesting that programming isn't some exclusive of club for obsessed geniuses. In regards to the Midwest, I know. Who would possibly want to live in one of the most beautiful parts of the US, surrounded by lush forests, the Great Lakes, and friendly people who say hi when you walk by?
  - Phlarp 13y ago
    I absolutely agree with everything you wrote (particularly the last paragraph, as a Duluth MN resident nothing will beat the view over Superior) Nothing is wrong with the path these students are choosing, I just don't see business analysts creating specs or writing user stories in the same competition for career roles as myself. Even though I intend to stay in the midwest and generally detest the culture of excess in the valley I was replying to the parent saying the influx of people learning to write "hello world" in java and make visio diagrams or project workflows won't have a measurable impact on the people currently making money building productive software (regardless of weather that software is immaculately well structured or a snarling mess of perpetual spaghetti) .

Phlarp 13y ago

Reverse argument, for context, I'm just about to graduate from a mediocre state university in the mid-west: Not all of the young minds that are "learning to code" really have the potential to write programs at the same level as the average ValleyBoy RoR Jockey™ (or even the average casual Hacker News reading hobbyist coder). The number of students in my program that had massive interest in our numbers ( 100% placement with the highest average starting pay ) and almost zero interest in actually learning to code is frightening. These students tend to slither through the technical classes with a lot of help from google and their friends, only to find themselves unable to compete for real developer positions and settling for the same 4x,xxx "business analyst" warm body jobs that seem to be the holy grail of the hoards of non-stem degree holders. On the flip side, if you can actually get fizz buzz to compile and can stomach the idea of living in the midwest, prepare to be wined and dined by everyone under the sun.

Taylorious 13y ago
Not everyone learns to program because they want to devote their life to code and worship the bit gods. I am in a similar situation as you and I have noticed quite a few students like you mentioned. My question is, whats so wrong with them getting a degree/job doing something they enjoy even if they aren't a rockstar at it? Is it so wrong for someone to want a 9-5 job doing something they enjoy? Yes they can't compete for "real" developer positions, but maybe they don't want to live in the valley and work 80 hours a week on a Facebook for cats and then hope Google buys their company. The truth of the matter is there is a ton of crappy code all over the world making things run and making people money. You don't need to be a rockstar to be valuable to a company so long as you get things done. I'm not activating mediocrity, I'm simply suggesting that programming isn't some exclusive of club for obsessed geniuses. In regards to the Midwest, I know. Who would possibly want to live in one of the most beautiful parts of the US, surrounded by lush forests, the Great Lakes, and friendly people who say hi when you walk by?
- Phlarp 13y ago
  I absolutely agree with everything you wrote (particularly the last paragraph, as a Duluth MN resident nothing will beat the view over Superior) Nothing is wrong with the path these students are choosing, I just don't see business analysts creating specs or writing user stories in the same competition for career roles as myself. Even though I intend to stay in the midwest and generally detest the culture of excess in the valley I was replying to the parent saying the influx of people learning to write "hello world" in java and make visio diagrams or project workflows won't have a measurable impact on the people currently making money building productive software (regardless of weather that software is immaculately well structured or a snarling mess of perpetual spaghetti) .