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Browsing through these jobs is enough to kill your faith in humanity. I don't think I saw any I'd want to work for regardless of salary. Cases in point: We're

by RyanZAG 13y ago

Browsing through these jobs is enough to kill your faith in humanity. I don't think I saw any I'd want to work for regardless of salary. Cases in point: We're looking for a younger developer ... There will be no compensation for this job https://weworkremotely.com/jobs/20 https://weworkremotely.com/jobs/20 You will be working with interesting people, namely me. https://weworkremotely.com/jobs/10 https://weworkremotely.com/jobs/10 EDIT: I take back the initial statement, there are a lot more postings now and some of them are pretty good.

kcorbitt 13y ago
Although to be fair, that job 20 does offer equity in the company in lieu of monetary compensation. Maybe not what you're looking for, but still a different beast than working for free.
- cstejerean 13y ago
  There's a difference in theory. In practice it's equivalent to an unpaid internship + lottery tickets.
  - jschmitz28 13y ago
    You can't influence the outcome of a lottery ticket (aside from picking rarely chosen number sets). You can influence company success. In practice there is still a difference. Edit: I'm responding to the general idea of startup equity being equal to a lottery ticket. I haven't read the specific job posting in question.
    - thibaut_barrere 13y ago
      Well: good luck influencing company success in a company providing no compensation for jobs and looking explicitely for young people...
    - danielweber 13y ago
      Without a seat in the boardroom, you still can't influence when the board decides it would be best if you disappeared.
bentaber 13y ago
I'm pretty sure it's illegal to look for "younger" developers. Might want to rethink that one. Of course if there is no monetary compensation, maybe it doesn't matter. http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/statutes/adea.cfm http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/statutes/adea.cfm
- danielweber 13y ago
  They mean to say "junior" developer. It might be worth working for them just for the yucks of the front-seat view when their state employment board comes down on them.
- fibbery 13y ago
  They updated it...
msantos 13y ago
And here's another fine example: You love Macs, open source software and tools, and cringe when you hear the words .NET
- oftenwrong 13y ago
  You love open source software, but not enough to use an open source OS
  - redblacktree 13y ago
    That actually describes me. I hate dicking around with drivers and the like (though I've heard Ubuntu got better), so I like the unixy OSX quite a lot.
    - mgkimsal 13y ago
      "though I've heard Ubuntu got better" I've heard that about linux every year for the past 14 years, usually from people who've only been using desktop linux for a year or two. Not exclusively, but usually.
      - the_hangman 13y ago
        Ubuntu is alright -- the problem with Linux as an OS 'for the people' is that the people find the command line frightening. Putting a pretty UX on top of Linux and making it easier to use just moves users further and further away from 'Linux' and closer and closer to an OS X or Windows, only without the games, hardware compatibility, and enterprise software options.
        markdown 13y ago
        > closer and closer to an OS X or Windows Which is the best way for an average user to interact with the machine, is it not? The ideal OS would be OS X levels of usable, but built entirely on Free Software. Once such an OS exists, it will draw in users, and the games/hardware-compatibility etc will always follow the users.
cylinder 13y ago
This board is a fine example of why you have to charge for job board postings. Even Craigslist charges $25 to keep out junk.
- LargeWu 13y ago
  I believe they're free today only, as a promotion.
throwmeaway2525 13y ago
I'd say that about most job postings, remote or otherwise. Except for those SF jobs, with the whiskeys and the toys and such. I need to get one of those.
jusben1369 13y ago
"We're looking for a younger developer" - it's probably important to point out it says "junior developer" Discriminating based on skills is fine. Doing it by age is very problematic.
- laureny 13y ago
  I'm guessing they are saying this because younger people are more likely to work for free.
- jnbiche 13y ago
  Yeah, it said "Younger developer" but they presumably read this thread and changed it.
jnbiche 13y ago
Yeah, try looking through odesk's postings. Half are blatantly illegal/ethical (e.g., "we're looking for someone to develop an app to bypass's Acme's company's anti-scraping efforts and steal all their data") or they're of this type (e.g., "I've got a really great idea and all I need is for a dev to build me a web application and a couple of mobile apps. It shouldn't take a smart person more than a few hours"). Between glancing at odesk jobs, reading the latest NSA escapades, and reading the comments on my local newspaper make me totally lose any hope in this country's future. These postings (weworkremotely.com), on the other hand, are showing some promise. I'm sure they were mostly bad at first, but presumably, a lot of good companies reading this post are starting to put up their jobs.

by RyanZAG 13y ago

kcorbitt 13y ago

Although to be fair, that job 20 does offer equity in the company in lieu of monetary compensation. Maybe not what you're looking for, but still a different beast than working for free.

cstejerean 13y ago
There's a difference in theory. In practice it's equivalent to an unpaid internship + lottery tickets.
- jschmitz28 13y ago
  You can't influence the outcome of a lottery ticket (aside from picking rarely chosen number sets). You can influence company success. In practice there is still a difference. Edit: I'm responding to the general idea of startup equity being equal to a lottery ticket. I haven't read the specific job posting in question.
  - thibaut_barrere 13y ago
    Well: good luck influencing company success in a company providing no compensation for jobs and looking explicitely for young people...
  - danielweber 13y ago
    Without a seat in the boardroom, you still can't influence when the board decides it would be best if you disappeared.

bentaber 13y ago

I'm pretty sure it's illegal to look for "younger" developers. Might want to rethink that one. Of course if there is no monetary compensation, maybe it doesn't matter. http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/statutes/adea.cfm http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/statutes/adea.cfm

danielweber 13y ago
They mean to say "junior" developer. It might be worth working for them just for the yucks of the front-seat view when their state employment board comes down on them.
fibbery 13y ago
They updated it...

msantos 13y ago

And here's another fine example: You love Macs, open source software and tools, and cringe when you hear the words .NET

oftenwrong 13y ago
You love open source software, but not enough to use an open source OS
- redblacktree 13y ago
  That actually describes me. I hate dicking around with drivers and the like (though I've heard Ubuntu got better), so I like the unixy OSX quite a lot.
  - mgkimsal 13y ago
    "though I've heard Ubuntu got better" I've heard that about linux every year for the past 14 years, usually from people who've only been using desktop linux for a year or two. Not exclusively, but usually.
    - the_hangman 13y ago
      Ubuntu is alright -- the problem with Linux as an OS 'for the people' is that the people find the command line frightening. Putting a pretty UX on top of Linux and making it easier to use just moves users further and further away from 'Linux' and closer and closer to an OS X or Windows, only without the games, hardware compatibility, and enterprise software options.
      - markdown 13y ago
        > closer and closer to an OS X or Windows Which is the best way for an average user to interact with the machine, is it not? The ideal OS would be OS X levels of usable, but built entirely on Free Software. Once such an OS exists, it will draw in users, and the games/hardware-compatibility etc will always follow the users.

cylinder 13y ago

This board is a fine example of why you have to charge for job board postings. Even Craigslist charges $25 to keep out junk.

LargeWu 13y ago
I believe they're free today only, as a promotion.

throwmeaway2525 13y ago

I'd say that about most job postings, remote or otherwise. Except for those SF jobs, with the whiskeys and the toys and such. I need to get one of those.

jusben1369 13y ago

"We're looking for a younger developer" - it's probably important to point out it says "junior developer" Discriminating based on skills is fine. Doing it by age is very problematic.

laureny 13y ago
I'm guessing they are saying this because younger people are more likely to work for free.
jnbiche 13y ago
Yeah, it said "Younger developer" but they presumably read this thread and changed it.

jnbiche 13y ago

Yeah, try looking through odesk's postings. Half are blatantly illegal/ethical (e.g., "we're looking for someone to develop an app to bypass's Acme's company's anti-scraping efforts and steal all their data") or they're of this type (e.g., "I've got a really great idea and all I need is for a dev to build me a web application and a couple of mobile apps. It shouldn't take a smart person more than a few hours"). Between glancing at odesk jobs, reading the latest NSA escapades, and reading the comments on my local newspaper make me totally lose any hope in this country's future. These postings (weworkremotely.com), on the other hand, are showing some promise. I'm sure they were mostly bad at first, but presumably, a lot of good companies reading this post are starting to put up their jobs.